Lightweight 19" vs OEM 18" vs OEM 17"
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The diameter remains constant.
The tire choice and rim material is the key. Unsprung weight affects the car's performance far more than you know. After doing a quick research, stock Mich pilot sport is 24 and 26 lbs front and rear, while the the mich pilot sport ps2s are the lightest at 23 and 25 lbs respectively. That one pound per tire makes a whole lot of difference. Now to make it even faster, consider smaller rims and/or lighter material like Magnesium.
The tire choice and rim material is the key. Unsprung weight affects the car's performance far more than you know. After doing a quick research, stock Mich pilot sport is 24 and 26 lbs front and rear, while the the mich pilot sport ps2s are the lightest at 23 and 25 lbs respectively. That one pound per tire makes a whole lot of difference. Now to make it even faster, consider smaller rims and/or lighter material like Magnesium.
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The factory 18s, being cast are indeed heavier than the oem FORGED 19s.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
The factory 18s are not really any heavier than the 19s. They are basically the same weight. The 19s are not good for performance driving due to less sidewall flex and a rougher more jittery ride.
When your on a track or even the road, and make turns you definitely want some flex in that sidewall or you will be hopping all over the road. Reason why you will never see a low profile tire on a track car.
When your on a track or even the road, and make turns you definitely want some flex in that sidewall or you will be hopping all over the road. Reason why you will never see a low profile tire on a track car.
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Obviously you haven't done your research.
The 19" weight 50-52lb. The 18" 05+ G35 Sedan rims weigh 49lb each.
This was measured a while back. FYI.
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthr...t=wheel+weight
Forged because its 19, but its not lighter than the 18" models.
The 19" weight 50-52lb. The 18" 05+ G35 Sedan rims weigh 49lb each.
This was measured a while back. FYI.
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthr...t=wheel+weight
Forged because its 19, but its not lighter than the 18" models.
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Originally Posted by IvoryGT
The diameter remains constant.
The tire choice and rim material is the key. Unsprung weight affects the car's performance far more than you know. After doing a quick research, stock Mich pilot sport is 24 and 26 lbs front and rear, while the the mich pilot sport ps2s are the lightest at 23 and 25 lbs respectively. That one pound per tire makes a whole lot of difference. Now to make it even faster, consider smaller rims and/or lighter material like Magnesium.
The tire choice and rim material is the key. Unsprung weight affects the car's performance far more than you know. After doing a quick research, stock Mich pilot sport is 24 and 26 lbs front and rear, while the the mich pilot sport ps2s are the lightest at 23 and 25 lbs respectively. That one pound per tire makes a whole lot of difference. Now to make it even faster, consider smaller rims and/or lighter material like Magnesium.
Diameter might be true, but the overall mass is larger due to metal vs rubber. The bigger the wheel, the less performance you get.
Why do you think the 350z comes with smaller wheels on the performance models? lol.
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You clearly don't understand the stuff you type. You said WHEELS. I said WHEELS. Not wheels AND tires. You assume that people will be running the tires that come oem. They of course can run any tire they wish.
Also from what I remember the G18s wont' be exactly same weight front/ rear. As the rear 245s are heavier than the fronts 225s. The 19" re050s are heavier than the 18" michelin pilots.
You are also weighing the sedan 18s which are different than the coupe 18s.
You need to SPECIFY which 18s you are talking about. Also your Goodyear NCTs are only a Grand Touring all seasons. Hardly in the same performance category as a Michelin pilot or a Bridgestone re050. Performance tires are often heavier because of the stiff sidewalls required for better performance.
IMHO the coupe 18s vs the coupe 19s w/ tires seem to be a better heads up comparison as they both feature a staggered 225/245 tire. Although the 19s are at a disadvantage as they are 0.5" wider in the rear than the coupe 18s rear wheel. They also feature performance tires vs all seasons.
Also from what I remember the G18s wont' be exactly same weight front/ rear. As the rear 245s are heavier than the fronts 225s. The 19" re050s are heavier than the 18" michelin pilots.
You are also weighing the sedan 18s which are different than the coupe 18s.
You need to SPECIFY which 18s you are talking about. Also your Goodyear NCTs are only a Grand Touring all seasons. Hardly in the same performance category as a Michelin pilot or a Bridgestone re050. Performance tires are often heavier because of the stiff sidewalls required for better performance.
IMHO the coupe 18s vs the coupe 19s w/ tires seem to be a better heads up comparison as they both feature a staggered 225/245 tire. Although the 19s are at a disadvantage as they are 0.5" wider in the rear than the coupe 18s rear wheel. They also feature performance tires vs all seasons.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Obviously you haven't done your research.
The 19" weight 50-52lb. The 18" 05+ G35 Sedan rims weigh 49lb each.
This was measured a while back. FYI.
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthr...t=wheel+weight
Forged because its 19, but its not lighter than the 18" models.
The 19" weight 50-52lb. The 18" 05+ G35 Sedan rims weigh 49lb each.
This was measured a while back. FYI.
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthr...t=wheel+weight
Forged because its 19, but its not lighter than the 18" models.
Last edited by Jeff92se; 01-22-2007 at 01:18 PM.
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I'm replying to YOUR statement and asking you to quantify those very GENERAL statements. If you don't want the subjec to get off topic then don't make off topic statements.
Originally Posted by Nismo G
Dude who in the fvck are you comming into my thread and starting an argument over something that isnt even related to the topic? Why dont you fork over a few dollars and join as a premier member since you live on this site so much... Fvck off tool bag
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So lets do some math.
18" Sedan wheels 2005+.
Tire weight 26lb each. 26-49= 23lb a wheel which is fairly light.
Coupe 19"
Tire weighs 21lb and 26lb for Michelins. 21 - 50lb = 29 front and 34 rear for wheel weight.
Since the Michelins are the factory tires and shows you the wheels weigh a lot for forged wheels.
The tires per tirerack:
27lb for the RE050A 225x40x19
30lb for the RE050A 245x40x19
21lb for the Pilot Sport in 225x40x19
26lb for the Pilot Sport in 245x40x19
26lb for the GY NCT5 on the Sedan Sport 18" 235x45x18
24lb for the Pilot Sport 225x45x18
26lb for the Pilot Sport 245x45x18
18" Sedan wheels 2005+.
Tire weight 26lb each. 26-49= 23lb a wheel which is fairly light.
Coupe 19"
Tire weighs 21lb and 26lb for Michelins. 21 - 50lb = 29 front and 34 rear for wheel weight.
Since the Michelins are the factory tires and shows you the wheels weigh a lot for forged wheels.
The tires per tirerack:
27lb for the RE050A 225x40x19
30lb for the RE050A 245x40x19
21lb for the Pilot Sport in 225x40x19
26lb for the Pilot Sport in 245x40x19
26lb for the GY NCT5 on the Sedan Sport 18" 235x45x18
24lb for the Pilot Sport 225x45x18
26lb for the Pilot Sport 245x45x18
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Um 50-27 = 23lbs and 52-31 = 21lbs. The factory tire for the 19s are the RE050s, not the Michelins.
You research shows the coupe factory forged 19s are actually very light for a 19 x8 / 19x8.5 wheel. LOL
Taken from your thread:
49 - 24 = 25lbs. Coupe front - Michelin tire
50 - 26 = 24lbs. Coupe rear - Michelin tire
This shows despite the tires being anywhere from 3lbs to 6lbs LIGHTER, the total package is no lighter than the coupe 19s on oem tires. So that means what?
You research shows the coupe factory forged 19s are actually very light for a 19 x8 / 19x8.5 wheel. LOL
18" front coupe rim + 225/45/18 Pilot Sport with 80% tread = 49
18" rear coupe rim + 245/45/18 Pilot Sport with 30% tread = 50
18" rear coupe rim + 245/45/18 Pilot Sport with 30% tread = 50
49 - 24 = 25lbs. Coupe front - Michelin tire
50 - 26 = 24lbs. Coupe rear - Michelin tire
This shows despite the tires being anywhere from 3lbs to 6lbs LIGHTER, the total package is no lighter than the coupe 19s on oem tires. So that means what?
Last edited by Jeff92se; 01-22-2007 at 01:41 PM.
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I said MOST, not a Caddy. Do you not understand the meaning of MOST? Do you race yourself? Doubtful.
Thats also not just the cadillac, go to any other scca speed world challenge car websites and look at their tire specs, their all atleast a profile of 35 or smaller (atleast in the GT class).
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Um 50-27 = 23lbs and 52-31 = 21lbs. The factory tire for the 19s are the RE050s, not the Michelins.
You research shows the coupe factory forged 19s are actually very light for a 19 x8 / 19x8.5 wheel. LOL
You research shows the coupe factory forged 19s are actually very light for a 19 x8 / 19x8.5 wheel. LOL
My bad, so Micehlins are the factory tire. Okay, 21 and 23 still not bad. About the same weight as the Sedan 18" wheels like I said.
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Originally Posted by Nismo G
Dont get pi$$ed man, i was going to post it in my frist post as an "edit", but you responded before i could look up the specs so i figured you wouldnt see my edit thats why i posted the new post. Yes, my father raced formula mazdas for years...now my cus and his brother race formula mazdas in the scca...so im at the track alot more than you are probably. Dont get pissed if i posted something just you could see the specs.
Thats also not just the cadillac, go to any other scca speed world challenge car websites and look at their tire specs, their all atleast a profile of 35 or smaller (atleast in the GT class).
-sean
Thats also not just the cadillac, go to any other scca speed world challenge car websites and look at their tire specs, their all atleast a profile of 35 or smaller (atleast in the GT class).
-sean
You just proved you know nothing about racing. Again, why do MOST have larger sidewalls? WHY? I said why.