I originally had ADR m-sports purchased but after waiting for the past 2 months trying to get my last rim in I decided not to go with them. I figure if the service is like this when I buy them who knows when and If I ever need anything else. Plus after reading posts of the weight issues and all, I was definetely doubting the purchase so maybe it worked out for the best. SO I saw the new racing hart J8's, holy smokes are they sweet !! Not only do they have a big fatty lip but are a light weight rim being forged. Happy, happy !! I'm ordering them tomorrow , more $$ but I think money well spent !! It'll be two weeks or so before I can put up any pics.