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Old 02-11-2010, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LightsOut
maybe your info is correct.
I've always been told and read on here 04 with sport package have lsd for the sedans. Cause I know the coupes had that option.
ok according to cars.com the 04 auto sedans have standard LSD, the auto coupes have optional VLSD and the 6 speeds have standard VLSD

also the 03 sedans didn't have LSD according to that site
 
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 00gts6speed
ok according to cars.com the 04 auto sedans have standard LSD, the auto coupes have optional VLSD and the 6 speeds have standard VLSD

also the 03 sedans didn't have LSD according to that site
I know for sure in 03, LSD wasn't an option at all.

maybe that standard option was towards sport package... cause base auto had no lsd
 
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thats what i said the 03s had no lsd option
 
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so all this info was to prove 03's had no lsd...lol

I had no ideal. I was just thinking were jibjabaring about 04+ lol
 
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lol that wasnt the intention, but thats what we have done apparently

are there really some g's with LSD and some with VLSD or are they all viscous?
 
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:19 PM
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its VLSD. thats what nissan calls their LSD

toyota, honda all have names for their LSD..
 
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VLSD is not what nissan calls LSD, its a type of LSD.

Viscous

The viscous type is generally simpler because it relies on hydrodynamic friction from fluids with high viscosity. Silicone-based oils are often used. Here, a cylindrical chamber of fluid filled with a stack of perforated discs rotates with the normal motion of the output shafts. The inside surface of the chamber is coupled to one of the driveshafts, and the outside coupled to the differential carrier. Half of the discs are connected to the inner, the other half to the outer, alternating inner/outer in the stack. Differential motion forces the interleaved discs to move through the fluid against each other. In some viscous couplings when speed is maintained the fluid will accumulate heat due to friction. This heat will cause the fluid to expand, and expand the coupler causing the discs to be pulled together resulting in a non-viscous plate to plate friction and a dramatic drop in speed difference. This is known as the hump phenomenon and it allows the side of the coupler to gently lock. In contrast to the mechanical type, the limiting action is much softer and more proportional to the slip, and so is easier to cope with for the average driver. New Process Gear used a viscous coupling of the Ferguson style in several of their transfer cases including those used in the AMC Eagle.

Viscous LSDs are less efficient than mechanical types, that is, they "lose" some power. In particular, any sustained load which overheats the silicone results in sudden permanent loss of the differential effect.[5] They do have the virtue of failing gracefully, reverting to semi-open differential behaviour. Typically a visco-differential that has covered 60,000 miles (97,000 km) or more will be functioning largely as an open differential; this is a known weakness of the original Mazda MX-5 (a.k.a. Miata) sports car. The silicone oil is factory sealed in a separate chamber from the gear oil surrounding the rest of the differential. This is not serviceable and when the differential's behaviour deteriorates, the VLSD centre is replaced.
SE-R Spec V's and Civic Si's(amoung other things) have Helical LSD

Geared LSD

Geared, torque-sensitive mechanical limited slip differentials utilize helical gears or worm gears to "sense" torque on one shaft. The most famous versions are:

Torsen differential based upon the Dual-Drive Differential invented by Vernon Gleasman in 1958, then later sold to Gleason Corporation, who started marketing it in 1982;
Quaife differential, sold under the name Automatic Torque Biasing Differential (ATB), covered by European Patent No. 130806A2.
Eaton Corporation differential, sold under the name Eaton Detroit Truetrac.
Geared LSDs wear the gears and their supports rather than the clutches of the clutch type and the cones of the cone type, but both output shafts have to be loaded to keep the proper torque distribution characteristics. Once an output shaft becomes free (e.g., one driven wheel lifts off the ground; or a summer tire comes over ice while another is on dry tarmac when the car goes uphill), no torque is transmitted to the second shaft and the torque-sensitive differential behaves like an open differential.

Geared LSDs are dependent on the torque and not on the speed difference between the output shafts. Such differentials may not be adequate on extremely slippery surfaces such as ice (or thin air, when a drive wheel loses ground contact altogether).[4]

Geared LSDs may be used:

to reduce torque steer in front-wheel drive vehicles;
as a center differential in four-wheel drive (e.g., on the Audi Quattro);
in rear-wheel drive vehicles, to maximize traction and make oversteer easier to manage (as in drifting). Although, for extreme drifting, a geared LSD is less effective compared to a clutch type LSD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited...ential#Viscous

the bolded section could be the problem here..lol
 
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here we go again...lol
hows this then.. Vlsd is an lsd that nissan uses..
well the one we have sucks!
 
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Originally Posted by LightsOut
so did autos, but they had to have sport package








if someone doesnt have lsd it can always be purchased.
not 04 sedans...
 
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OCG35
not 04 sedans...
well that just sux
 
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Originally Posted by LightsOut
here we go again...lol
hows this then.. Vlsd is an lsd that nissan uses..
well the one we have sucks!
they also use HLSD in fwd cars
 
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 00gts6speed
they also use HLSD in fwd cars


ok then.. lets rephrase it again.

Vlsd is what Infiniti uses on G35.... geezzz
 
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yeah but VLSD sucks badly, it takes a second or twos before both wheels get a grip, in the meantime your back end is rocking from left to right and the car feels so unstable when for ex. hitting the gas when entering a turn ,used to do it with my old supra that had a clutch type LSD , it felt much safer cuz both tires got a grip instantaneously and the car never rocked side to side, one of the first things i noticed on my G, I was really surprised & disappointed cuz it felt like the car had poor handling
 
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Originally Posted by LightsOut
ok then.. lets rephrase it again.

Vlsd is what Infiniti uses on G35.... geezzz
lol well u made it sound like VLSD was something nissan invented
 


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