just saw this on FA

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LOS ANGELES, Oct 11 (Reuters) - Consumers have filed a proposed nationwide class action suit in Los Angeles against Nissan North America Inc. over a brake defect in the Infiniti G35 they say has undercut the vehicle's resale value.
The lawsuit, filed on Friday, asks that the automaker reimburse owners of G35 sports sedans and coupes made in 2003 and 2004 for the costs of fixing the defect, which causes brake pads and rotors to wear out faster than normal.

A similar lawsuit was filed last month in Florida.

Nissan disclosed the problem in late 2003, and amended its warranty to cover the brake pad and brake rotor replacements for the first three years or 36,000 miles the buyer owns or leases the car, Nissan spokesman Kyle Bazemore said.

The company also reimbursed owners for brake maintenance that had already been performed, Bazemore said.

Bazemore said the company had no comment on the California lawsuit, but described the Florida claim as "unfounded."

The lawsuit claims the brake problem "significantly increased the expected costs of ownership of a G35 well beyond the warranty amendment" and diminished the car's value.

"You're still going to have to replace brakes and rotors more often than you normally would," said plaintiffs lawyer Aashish Desai.

"Who is going to want to buy a (used G35) when they know they have to replace the pads and rotors every year?"

Nissan North America, based in Gardena, California, is a division of Tokyo-based Nissan Motor Co. (7201.T: Quote, Profile, Research)


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interesting...but i think they need one for premature / uneven tire wear, imo.



03 6MT coupe, red/willow, premium, aero, splash guards, alum pedals, clear corners, limo tint, Phatbox 40g mp3 player

 

Guess these people really didn't want performance braking or handling.

What happens when you try to satisfy owners, you open a can of worms with the brake and tire warranty. The other companies are laughing their Axxes off, they knew better than to do such a thing!

 

"Performance braking" doesn't have to equal yearly rotor changes!

Mark

2003 Sedan AT. Sport Aero Ivory Pearl/ Willow
20% tint. Z-tube. Clear Corners w/ PIAA.
Aluminum Pedals

 

Sickpig is right. Toyota used the brakes off of the Tacoma and put them on the Tundra, and then thought to themselves, maybe we can fit them on the Sequoia too. BAD MOVE TOYOTA! They then created a TSB to replace the calipers, brake pads and rotors. The calipers and brake pads came off of the Land Cruiser and the rotors were OEM Sequoia Rotors (which still fit the Taco). Well after 53,000 miles I've had 3 brake jobs. I'm well outside of the 3/36,000 warranty but TOYOTA is doing what Nissan isn't. THEY ARE PAYING FOR MY BRAKE JOBS!!! That's right. I have had 3 sets of rotors, 2 sets of calipers and 2 sets of pads (yes, this means the rotors are wearing out faster than the pads???).

Many car companies design and have others design quality braking systems that do not require annual rotor and pad replacement. Acura (the G35's direct competitor) is one of them...

Bottom line, a quality car company sometimes bites the bullet when their design is flawed. A sub-par company hides behind litigation. Lexus is a pristine example of a quality car company, Nissan /Infiniti should be ashamed.

 

I would have to agree. In addition, what gets me mad is that when I purchased the car (2003, sedan), I talked to the service manager and asked him specifically what the annual costs for this car would be. There was absolutely no mention of replacing rotors and brake pads on a yearly basis or that the brakes were even high performance. My first set only lasted me 15,000 miles, that is 1 year for me. This is hard to take since I do not drive my car hard. Then when I asked the manager why he did not include brakes as a yearly cost, he said that they didn't know that the brakes would wear so quickly! That made me even more angry.

The 3 years, 36,000 miles is nice, but my warranty is almost up. Not looking forward to an additional $500/year for brakes. I know I can do aftermarket, but that isn't the point. If they would have been upfront about the issue before I bought the car, then it would be a different story.

ETicketRide
2003 G35 Sedan/Ivory Pearl/Willow Premium/Sport/Tint

 

I got 8000 miles on my car and was told last oil change i still have 80% brake pad left. This would leave me to beleive i should get 20k-25k miles before needing new pads. Be curious if I get that far.

As I mentioned before both my sister and mother have only gotten less then 15k miles on there pads before needing replacement and thats on a Honda Accord (automatic). So this is not just a Infiniti issue.

Things that wear out brakes faster
1) Tail Gating
2) Racing (especially down mountain roads)
3) Not paying attention to the road, so when traffic slows down u dont see it till the last second and have to slam on the brakes
4) Automatic Transmisisons
5) Power Braking to race
6) Agressive Driving (which many are in denial about)

If people would change there driving style some, brakes would last a lot longer.. but untill I get 25k miles on my car I can't back that up yet

I also think people get used to the performance on this car, they know it will stop fast, so they wait longer to brake, where as maybe there last car was a truck or something and knew there brake perfomance sucked (due to non agressive braking system so pads would last longer) so they made sure to brake earlier. If people drove there G35 like they did there other non-sports car, I beleive they would get longer brake life. Just my opinion tho...

2003.5 G35 Sedan White/6MT
Nismo Type S Suspension / Nismo Sway Bars
19" OZ Rims / Stillen Front/Rear Camber Kit / Z Tube
Stillen Big-Airflow Intake / Stillen Catback Exhaust

 

I agree that the break Infiniti uses are not good quality breaks. Squeaking of the of break, starting at mere 800 miles till now, is my biggest complaint of the break. I would love to see them warrant the break job till 100000 miles/seven years. Luckily, my break still has about 80% left at 15000 miles on the clock.

 

Wearing out pads is something to be expected. Wearing out rotors every 20,000 miles is totally unacceptable!

Mark

2003 Sedan AT. Sport Aero Ivory Pearl/ Willow
20% tint. Z-tube. Clear Corners w/ PIAA.
Aluminum Pedals

 

I agree with the rotors. If people are having to replace them every 15k-20k miles then Inifiniti needs to do a recall and get it fixed.

2003.5 G35 Sedan White/6MT
Nismo Type S Suspension / Nismo Sway Bars
19" OZ Rims / Stillen Front/Rear Camber Kit / Z Tube
Stillen Big-Airflow Intake / Stillen Catback Exhaust

 

The rotors are not wearing out [way above minimum thickness] they are just warping and have irregular pad material transfer.
Normally they would just be retrued on the car, but dealers found that Infiniti would spring for warranty rotor replacement [easier and faster for the tech].

Guess they will just have to raise the G prices [a few thousand] to cover the warranty on brakes and other wear and tear performance items.

 

Not true in my case. When I had my brakes done, Infiniti told me that if they turned or resurfaced my rotors, it would bring them below specs. So they replaced them. This was before the warranty was in place...But I have also heard of people complaining about rotors warping, etc....

ETicketRide
2003 G35 Sedan/Ivory Pearl/Willow Premium/Sport/Tint

 

Have any of you guys had your rotors pads etc replaced free of charge since this lawsuit has come up?
I called my local dealership about 3 months ago about the premature wear on the brakes and they said that if I have brembos I would not be covered.. any thoughts?

 

I had my rotors replaced at 20,200 miles. The wear surface was worn more than a 1/16th (.070") of an inch below the rest of the rotor. I've seen cast iron rotors with metal matrix pads last longer. There seems to me to be a problem with the rotor hardness or lack of. Maybe Infiniti needs to sue the rotor manufacturer. LOL

MarK

2003 Sedan AT. Sport Aero Ivory Pearl/ Willow
20% tint. Z-tube. Clear Corners w/ PIAA.
Aluminum Pedals

 

Anyone else with brembos get their dealer to replace their pads? im at 12000 miles and im down to 30% of my pads, and i wanted to know if you had any luck getting it covered by the warranty. Anyone with brembo's having problems with the rotors? If so...I'd like to hear about it.

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Hopefully I can take my G in this coming week although after 30k miles on it I'm sure that they will tell me "its just natural for your expesive car to fall apart sir" "You should have stuck to Honda/Acura for true quality."

It's a G thang, you wouldn't understand...No Really, you won't understand unless you have one.