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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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Go 19's if your concerned about performance....unless you're going to have FI then 20's won't make a difference.
What do you mean by going to FI?
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Q45tech
Depends on wheel design .........where/how far from center the extra weight occurs..........usually tires weigh more also.

Shocks wear faster, brakes wear faster, turnin requires more steering force, acceleration might decrease as if you added 20 x 4-5 [factor] = 80-100 pounds of weight inside car.

Guys think you are cool, girls think you wasted your money..[less to spend on them]......bigger wheels don't correlate with big human body parts usually the converse.
Okay, this is what I'm guessing. Acceleration will be slower due to the increase of rotational mass. So.....only the weight of the rear wheel should be factored in this as the G is rear-wheel drive. The 20x10 rears I'm looking at weigh 30lbs. Since it seems no one knows the weight of the coupe 18s I'm going to have to guess they're 22 pounders, which will mean a total of 16 lbs additional wheel weight. 16 x 5(q45tech's factor) = 80 lbs heavier trunk weight. If that's the case, I can live with that as I myself only weigh 160 lbs. Also, I've never been on the track and probably never will be on the track, so I probably will not notice the difference as you guys that do are probably very particular about your car's performance and probably do more than ordinary day-to-day driving. Am I right? I hope. (I'm really trying to sell myself on the 20s here)
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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What do you mean by going to FI?
Forced Induction
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 09:04 AM
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Coupe wheels are 24.5 lbs. You have to consider the weight of wheels + tires, not just the wheels.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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Sounds like you are leaning toward 20s. Get them. Any performance loss is going to be small (I have lighter 3 piece 20s myself and don't notice a difference). Besides, do you really drive around full throttle all the time? My car spends more time parked at stoplights than it does wide f***ing open. How about yours?
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spmc
Sounds like you are leaning toward 20s. Get them. Any performance loss is going to be small (I have lighter 3 piece 20s myself and don't notice a difference). Besides, do you really drive around full throttle all the time? My car spends more time parked at stoplights than it does wide f***ing open. How about yours?
It won't be small. It will be a noticeable large performance loss.

My 19s are light for 19s and I still noticed my car got much slower.

It feels like I have 2 people in the car and a trunk load of autox gear.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by diggy1
Okay, this is what I'm guessing. Acceleration will be slower due to the increase of rotational mass. So.....only the weight of the rear wheel should be factored in this as the G is rear-wheel drive.

No, all 4 wheels need to be included in the factor, unless your car wheelstands when launching. Seriously though, the car has to accelerate all 4 wheels up to speed, both linerly and rotationaly so all 4 wheels count in rotating mass.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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Yes, 20's make a big difference in performance. I have chrome Zenetti fives with nitto 555's and they made my car quite a bit slower. I have not tried the stock wheels back on since my supercharger install but I plan on it soon.
It all depends on how much looks matter to you over performance. 20's do look way better than 19's IMO and my car is fast enough for now, until I can afford some iForged 20's. Then the best of both worlds can be enjoyed!
what is so special about IF 20s that make it better than other 20s?? wheel design???


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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spmc
Sounds like you are leaning toward 20s. Get them. Any performance loss is going to be small (I have lighter 3 piece 20s myself and don't notice a difference). Besides, do you really drive around full throttle all the time? My car spends more time parked at stoplights than it does wide f***ing open. How about yours?

Same deal. Drive to work and back. That's all.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 03:19 AM
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I have 20s and I can feel the difference when accelerating. Not enough for me to regret getting them though.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by phayze one
I have 20s and I can feel the difference when accelerating. Not enough for me to regret getting them though.
Did you compare weights from stock to the GT7's? Just curious what they weigh in 19 and 20.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2006 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by haze
no, 20lb heavier in the rims is different from 20lb in the trunk, it is worse being it has to do with rotational mass. expert chime in please.
The wieght of a spinning mass is called centrifugal force, and the equation to find it is F = ((m)(v squared)) / r where F= force, m= mass (of the wheel), v= velocity, and r= radius (of wheel). So, as you can see, the speed plays a massive part in determining how much weight you will be pulling. This equation is for, say, a ball being spun held by an anchored string, meaning that the bias of the weight's location on the hub can change the force dramatically. i.e., If the outside of the rim were to have 45% of one rim's weight, it will not rotate with as much force as one with 60% of the weight on the outside. This means that tire weight will play a large part in your rim's rotating inertia, but using an unltra low profile tire with an extra inch on the rim may not be benificial since I'm not exactly well versed in their specific weights. The best plan would to be to go with lightweight 18s and very nice tires ofr performance, but who wants to buy aftermarket 18s for a luxury sports car when they have a choice for larger? For me, I think I'm just gonna grab some some summer ultra performance tires for the stock 18's.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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I'd go with 20s. If you really wanted to go that fast, you'd be in an Evo or STi.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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Or just get the 20's and go FI. The Evo and STi are nice cars but I don't like the interior on them. The G is a whole different class of car.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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19's are big enough for me. with a drop it looks perfect
 
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