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Old Dec 29, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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I got the OEM security bypass installed tonight - I can now start the car with no key at all! I still haven't attempted to eliminate the mechanical wheel lock. I took a look and it appears that it will be a fun little project.

I will shoot a new video and display it soon!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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Latest update -

No key required to start the car! I still have the mechanical wheel lock but that is the only preventing me from having a complete aftermarket keyless push button start system!

We will start field testing the IG50 in the next couple days!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:38 PM
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That's great.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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very cool.

are you still NOT interested in replacing the entire ignition with the button in the future?
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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Interesting, but to install that on an 05, there aren't extra spots to place a push button. Would it replace the factory one?

Also, if the keys are moved while the car is running... what happens?

Adrian

EDIT: Damnit, I promised no mods for 2009! Maybe the price will be a lil lower in 2010!
 

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 01:34 AM
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so sick I want to test it
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 01:56 AM
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So even in a manual car you have to press the brake pedal when starting the car? Also what happens when you move the keys out of the 6 inch range (that is seriously short distance) .

edit: ok so I read some earlier posts that answered my brake pedal question, but does the current generation of g37 push button start manual cars work the same way ?
edit2: nevermind I answered my own question yet Again. So the G37 does NOT require you to press the brake pedal, instead it just relies on you pressing down the clutch, is it possible to have this setup work that way, ie: pressing the clutch and then pressing the start button to turn the engine ?
 

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KPierson
Latest update - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUsyMtZtl4

No key required to start the car! I still have the mechanical wheel lock but that is the only preventing me from having a complete aftermarket keyless push button start system!

We will start field testing the IG50 in the next couple days!
OMG i want!!!! How can this work with an 05 coupe 6MT?
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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There is a signal that loses voltage whenever the clutch or brake is pushed in - it may be possible to use that signal so that either one or the other has to be pushed in. Is there something you guys are doing with your right foot when starting the car that makes it inconvenient to put it on the brake pedal? Some people seem rather passionate about not having to push the brake down and I don't fully understand why they are so against it. The point of having to push the brake down is two fold - 1. To give the driver flexibility to either turn the car on or just turn the IGN/ACC on and 2. to prevent someone from accidently shutting the car off while it is moving (or accidently starting it).

Once the keyfob is read one time you can remove the keys - it doesn't have to see the keyfob again. If the car stalls or you shut the car off you can restart the car without rereading the keyfob for ~30 seconds. After that period the fob will need to be reread to verify that it is OK to start the car. This is another built in safety in case the car stalls.

At the present moment I have no intentions of replacing my entire ignition in my G35. I don't drive it often enough to justify it. The car is an early '04 with ~20,000 miles on it. The point of the video is that it IS possible to do though, although it would be nice to keep the ignition switch in case of part failure.

As soon as the development is done with the Passive RFID system we will start developing an active system that has a 2-3 meter range (~7'-10'). However, there are trade offs with longer range. The Passive RFID system was chosen because the fobs are almost indestructable and they don't require batteries. There are no complex electronics or moving parts in the keyfob to go bad. The active system will 1. cost more 2. be MUCH more flexible and 3. require changing batteries in the keyfob on a fairly regular basis (6-12 months). The passive system is also a bit more flexibile and I feel a bit more secure but we'll have to wait until the active system is done to make a final conclusion.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by KPierson
There is a signal that loses voltage whenever the clutch or brake is pushed in - it may be possible to use that signal so that either one or the other has to be pushed in. Is there something you guys are doing with your right foot when starting the car that makes it inconvenient to put it on the brake pedal? Some people seem rather passionate about not having to push the brake down and I don't fully understand why they are so against it. The point of having to push the brake down is two fold - 1. To give the driver flexibility to either turn the car on or just turn the IGN/ACC on and 2. to prevent someone from accidently shutting the car off while it is moving (or accidently starting it).

Once the keyfob is read one time you can remove the keys - it doesn't have to see the keyfob again. If the car stalls or you shut the car off you can restart the car without rereading the keyfob for ~30 seconds. After that period the fob will need to be reread to verify that it is OK to start the car. This is another built in safety in case the car stalls.

At the present moment I have no intentions of replacing my entire ignition in my G35. I don't drive it often enough to justify it. The car is an early '04 with ~20,000 miles on it. The point of the video is that it IS possible to do though, although it would be nice to keep the ignition switch in case of part failure.

As soon as the development is done with the Passive RFID system we will start developing an active system that has a 2-3 meter range (~7'-10'). However, there are trade offs with longer range. The Passive RFID system was chosen because the fobs are almost indestructable and they don't require batteries. There are no complex electronics or moving parts in the keyfob to go bad. The active system will 1. cost more 2. be MUCH more flexible and 3. require changing batteries in the keyfob on a fairly regular basis (6-12 months). The passive system is also a bit more flexibile and I feel a bit more secure but we'll have to wait until the active system is done to make a final conclusion.
Thanks for the very detailed answer, and yes I myself am very passionate about not having to step on the break. The whole purpose of this is to have a system that makes life easier when starting and stopping the car first and does something thats cool at the same time second. It would be that much better to have the system rely on the clutch like the factory/OEM setup. I can see the brake failsafe being a nice option on an automatic car, but in a manual its just one more step that seems absolutely pointless, as in stock form with a regular key , a brake safety feature does not exist, so why add it ?

BTW I absolutely love what your doing and applaud your dedication and patience. If only there was an option to use the clutch instead of the brake (perhaps alternate instructions in the install pdf ) , I would be all over this like a troubled child on crack.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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In an automatic car with factory push button start, you do not need to press the brake in order to turn on IGN/ACC on or 2. I haven't tried to push the button while the car is in motion, however. Maybe i'll try that tonight while driving home
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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bump for updates
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 04:11 AM
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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The PB50 is available for purchase from our site for $179.99.

The IG50 RFID based Ignition Control module is in the beta testing phase.

We are working with several third party companies to provide an active RFID solution - as of right now we don't have a recomendation for the active system.
 
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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^^^ DOH! HURRY MR. PIERSON lol..
 
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