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Old 02-15-2011 | 07:41 PM
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Sorry for the long wait, i finally have time for this and so here it is lets down to business and got some pics in as well.

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Swapping polarity of the wires wouldn't make it sound bad. Being a POS amp and sub though. Just because something's free doesn't mean it's better than nothing.

Some more basic info is needed here.

Where are you tapping the audio signal?

What headunit, Bose or non-bose?

What gauge wire?

Where and how did you ground the wire (pics are great with this one)?

WTF is a "base amp channel (Red+White plugs) install plug for my amp"? Just wires that end in an RCA terminal? a LOC? an JBL MS-8?

Knowing none of that basic info, I'd almost just say you've got either a post-bose tap to the ruined-by-bose speaker level input going into a low-level input on the amp, or you're tapping the pre-bose amp signal (a differential-balanced signal) and feeding it to a crappy amp that can't handle that type of signal.
What headunit, Bose or non-bose?
It is a stock Bose audio.

WTF is a "base amp channel (Red+White plugs) install plug for my amp"? Just wires that end in an RCA terminal? a LOC? an JBL MS-8?
I just figured it out. It is a LOC

LINE OUTPUT CONVERTOR. i figured out what that is called






Ground, Power REM, +12V(in order)






and btw my friend had this before and he said it was banging normal how subs should of been.

i try mixing up the subs wires and try to get it work. And also tried to mix up the Red and White wire as well and still had no luck
 

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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:09 PM
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Sorry for the long wait, i finally have time for this and so here it is lets down to business and got some pics in as well.



What headunit, Bose or non-bose?
It is a stock Bose audio.

WTF is a "base amp channel (Red+White plugs) install plug for my amp"? Just wires that end in an RCA terminal? a LOC? an JBL MS-8?
I just figured it out. It is a LOC

LINE OUTPUT CONVERTOR. i figured out what that is called

and btw my friend had this before and he said it was banging normal how subs should of been.

i try mixing up the subs wires and try to get it work. And also tried to mix up the Red and White wire as well and still had no luck
I can't tell from the pictures if it's before or after the bose amp, but initial diagnosis looks like it's right - "you've got either a post-bose tap to the ruined-by-bose speaker level input going into a low-level input on the amp, or you're tapping the pre-bose amp signal (a differential-balanced signal) and feeding it to a crappy amp that can't handle that type of signal."

If you're tapping before the Bose amp, you need an amp that can take a differential-balanced signal, or an MTX-REQ or similar converter between your Bose headunit and the amp, a simple LOC won't do. If you're tapping after the Bose amp, it's the Bose amp's internal EQ that's screwing up your bass.
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:12 PM
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did you sand down the area where the ground is to make sure it has a proper good connection?
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:14 PM
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also check to make sure u have it LOC wired right, color codes below:

Head Output Rear Right + Blue
Head Output Rear Right - Pink

Head Output Rear Left + Teal
Head Output Rear Left - Purple

Remote Wire Light Blue/ Silver
 
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So my solution is.....

my LOC might be wired wrong??
or/and
My amp is screwing up and need a better amp?
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:33 PM
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i think it might be you dont have a good ground and or your LOC is wired wrong. im leaning towards to LOC.
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:52 PM
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i think it might be you dont have a good ground and or your LOC is wired wrong. im leaning towards to LOC.
If its the LOC problem, dam audio place dont know how install.

And how should i try grounding it? Any suggestions? so i can try if that works.
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 09:54 PM
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If its the LOC problem, dam audio place dont know how install.

And how should i try grounding it? Any suggestions? so i can try if that works.
take a look at where it runs, take that bolt out and if their is BASE shiny metal your good. if there is pain. sand away the paint. (paint doesn't conduct electricity) thus making a bad gound
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 10:02 PM
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take a look at where it runs, take that bolt out and if their is BASE shiny metal your good. if there is pain. sand away the paint. (paint doesn't conduct electricity) thus making a bad gound
actually if you look really close to where i ground it, the bolt is gold.

I ground is behind the speaker and where the LOC is located.

is that good enough?

But then again i havent check around it for paint, it might be surrounded by rug since its on top of where the speaker is which is surrounded by rug which is bad also. I will check tomorrow and keep this post updated.

And when it comes to that, where should i ground it at as my next location?
 
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Old 02-15-2011 | 10:13 PM
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Here is a pic from when me and my buddy gutted it for some dynomat. the ground is in the upper right. and the LOC in lower left
Having trouble with AMP+Subs installation.-sub-diy.jpg
 
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Old 02-16-2011 | 01:59 PM
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Here is a pic from when me and my buddy gutted it for some dynomat. the ground is in the upper right. and the LOC in lower left
Attachment 133217
I just grounded it where you put it at, seems like that didnt work and still sounds the same.

Im gonna go look at the LOC.
But i dont get this part

Head Output Rear Right + Blue
Head Output Rear Right - Pink

Head Output Rear Left + Teal
Head Output Rear Left - Purple
I am not a electrician so just tell me what to do here. Cause the LOC wires are grey and white on both output
 
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Old 02-16-2011 | 02:09 PM
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I just grounded it where you put it at, seems like that didnt work and still sounds the same.

Im gonna go look at the LOC.
But i dont get this part



I am not a electrician so just tell me what to do here. Cause the LOC wires are grey and white on both output
from the LOC there should be 4 or 5 wires.
Right positive, Right negative
Left positive, Left negative

LOC:
Right Front (+) Gray
Right Front (-) Gray/Black
Left Front (+) White
Left Front (-) White/Black

Off Amp:
Head Output Right + Blue
Head Output Right - Pink
Head Output Left + Teal
Head Output Left - Purple

So connect Right + and Right +
Right - to Right -
and so on.
 
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Old 02-16-2011 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ___
So my solution is.....

my LOC might be wired wrong??
or/and
My amp is screwing up and need a better amp?
Differential-balanced signal or the Bose amp's EQ is your problem.

A LOC won't change either of those problems.

An amp that can take a balanced signal will solve it, so long as you tap the signal before the Bose amp.
 
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