Sway bar settings for track events
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Sway bar settings for track events
I have my sways set on medium front and rear. Wondering what some of you guys use for track events as oppose to autoX.
Also, do you suggest switching setting when using slicks/race tires?
I never ran slicks/race tires before so i dont know what to expect from the car.
Any opinions or tips are welcome.
Also, do you suggest switching setting when using slicks/race tires?
I never ran slicks/race tires before so i dont know what to expect from the car.
Any opinions or tips are welcome.
Last edited by myGspot; May 9, 2006 at 03:21 PM.
I completed a TT event at Pococno South this weekend with my Eibach sways on medium. I ran slicks with Tein Basics and a Stillen Rear Strut Bar. Car was on rails except for a little oversteer exiting the last turn while accelerating hard in 3rd. You will have to experiment to find out what setting will make you feel most comfortable and give you the fastest laptimes.
Last edited by dp04; May 10, 2006 at 01:24 AM.
dp04, do you get any sgueaks from the eibach sways? I relube mine, but they squeak again after just a few days. I am thinking it is just the nature of the bushings?? I set mine on soft front and med on the back with stock susp. and street tires.
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Originally Posted by dp04
I completed a TT event at Pococno South this weekend with my Eibach sways on medium. I ran slicks with Tein Basics and a Stillen Rear Strut Bar. Car was on rails except for a little oversteer exiting the last turn while accelerating hard in 3rd. You will have to experiment to find out what setting will make you feel most comfortable and give you the fastest laptimes.
Originally Posted by glennp_1999
Put them on the stiffest setting on race day you don't want any bodyroll at all. The slicks will compliment the setting nicely.
Start with soft to medium(no matter what tires are) and work your way up to stiffer as your confidence builds up. If you are serious about racing and setting your car right you will take along jack and set of tools to adjust your suspension.
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Originally Posted by obender66
Not a good advice for novice driver. Stiff setting will be less forgiving and can get driver in trouble. I think that full "stiff" is OK for autocross, because there're no other cars and speed is not that high, but not a good start for track.
Start with soft to medium(no matter what tires are) and work your way up to stiffer as your confidence builds up. If you are serious about racing and setting your car right you will take along jack and set of tools to adjust your suspension.
Start with soft to medium(no matter what tires are) and work your way up to stiffer as your confidence builds up. If you are serious about racing and setting your car right you will take along jack and set of tools to adjust your suspension.
Reason why i asked is that #1 i never did any events before in a RWD car. #2 never on slicks/race tires . So thats why i wanted to see what to expect.
My previous car had a crap load of work done to it and i did a number of track events with it (honda prelude) but that car was such a breeze to drive, you can toss it into a corner and it was soo neutral that even if you messed up it was a breeze to recover.
What type of race tires/slicks do you guys use?
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I am using Stillen sways set medium front and stiff rear, with strut tower braces on both front and rear, front adjustable UCA with 3.5 degrees negative camber, rear camber negative 2 degrees (lowered one inch all around), and Tein EDFC set 3 front and 5 rear (out of 16 settings). the tires are DOT-R compound Nitto NT-01.....275/35/18F and 315/30/18 R on Enkei NT03+M wheels, 9.5inch F and 10.5 inch R.
I would go with a DOT-R tire if you can, for more grip. I like the Toyo and Nitto offerings, but the Michelin, and Pirelli are also very fine. The Hoosier is excellent, but wears quickly, and probably would be best used after you have the car dialed in to your satisfaction.
I would go with a DOT-R tire if you can, for more grip. I like the Toyo and Nitto offerings, but the Michelin, and Pirelli are also very fine. The Hoosier is excellent, but wears quickly, and probably would be best used after you have the car dialed in to your satisfaction.
I lubed the bushings with lithium grease during install so I do not get any squeaks at all. Several years ago BFG stopped making a RR tire called the RI and I bought two sets for my mustang and never used them until I got the G. I'm on the last set and after this season I'll use Hoosiers or the Toyos. Basically if you have a lot of slow corners you want a softer setup and a stiffer one on a track that has a lot of fast transitional changes like Pocono North.
I also agree with obender66. You have to try the different settings along with a stop watch or laptimer and just have fun figuring out what's the fastest and most comfortable setting for you. If the car slides you are going slower. You are looking for the same feeling you get when you ride the rides at amusement parks. It's very easy to get the the G crossed up especially with the rear swaybar on full stiff. Forgive me for being so basic.
Last edited by dp04; May 15, 2006 at 09:08 PM.
Originally Posted by obender66
Not a good advice for novice driver. Stiff setting will be less forgiving and can get driver in trouble. I think that full "stiff" is OK for autocross, because there're no other cars and speed is not that high, but not a good start for track.
Start with soft to medium(no matter what tires are) and work your way up to stiffer as your confidence builds up. If you are serious about racing and setting your car right you will take along jack and set of tools to adjust your suspension.
Start with soft to medium(no matter what tires are) and work your way up to stiffer as your confidence builds up. If you are serious about racing and setting your car right you will take along jack and set of tools to adjust your suspension.
Hi everyone. I don't have a G but I have a Z. To set up your sways, the best way is to test and tune. It is easy and fun.
First you need to determine a starting point. Yet, you need to ask yourself this quesiton:
What do I want my car to do when it breaks loose, understeer, oversteer, or neutral?
Neutral may sound nice, yet it is unpredictable and needs a very experienced driver to control when it brakes loose. Understeer is more desirable for the unexperienced driver since it is much easier to control. Oversteer is not recommended for unexperienced drivers, yet some people actually like this condition and can drive the car really well in this condition (most AWD vehicles preferr this setting in a race).
So now that you have answered that question, now look at your tires. Do I have the same width tires front and rear or do I have staggered tires?
- For understeer and same width tires: start with the front at medium and the rear at soft.
- For understeer and staggered tires: Start with the front and rear at medium.
- For Oversteer and same width tires: Start with the front soft and rear at medium.
- For Oversteer and staggered tires: Start with the front soft and rear at hard.
- For neutral and same tires: Start with front and rear at medium.
- For neutral and staggered tires: Stat with front at soft and the rear at medium.
Now these are just starting points and will need to be tuned to give you what you want with your set up.
Oh - and if you are racing in the rain, you want your sways to be as soft as they can go.
First you need to determine a starting point. Yet, you need to ask yourself this quesiton:
What do I want my car to do when it breaks loose, understeer, oversteer, or neutral?
Neutral may sound nice, yet it is unpredictable and needs a very experienced driver to control when it brakes loose. Understeer is more desirable for the unexperienced driver since it is much easier to control. Oversteer is not recommended for unexperienced drivers, yet some people actually like this condition and can drive the car really well in this condition (most AWD vehicles preferr this setting in a race).
So now that you have answered that question, now look at your tires. Do I have the same width tires front and rear or do I have staggered tires?
- For understeer and same width tires: start with the front at medium and the rear at soft.
- For understeer and staggered tires: Start with the front and rear at medium.
- For Oversteer and same width tires: Start with the front soft and rear at medium.
- For Oversteer and staggered tires: Start with the front soft and rear at hard.
- For neutral and same tires: Start with front and rear at medium.
- For neutral and staggered tires: Stat with front at soft and the rear at medium.
Now these are just starting points and will need to be tuned to give you what you want with your set up.
Oh - and if you are racing in the rain, you want your sways to be as soft as they can go.
This car may be a little bit more difficult to drive than the Prelude. You probably had an LSD on front differential which makes it really stick while powering out of the corner.
Since this is the first time with a RWD car, the best advice I have is to set it soft front and medium rear and bring a socket set. First thing you should probably do is go to the skidpad (the track ought to have one) and drive it to the limit noting whether the front or rear breaks loose first (should take ~10 minutes). Chances are you will have understeer at which point you can quickly switch the rears to a harder setting (if desired).
You will have a lot more fun with just 20 minutes of work.
Since this is the first time with a RWD car, the best advice I have is to set it soft front and medium rear and bring a socket set. First thing you should probably do is go to the skidpad (the track ought to have one) and drive it to the limit noting whether the front or rear breaks loose first (should take ~10 minutes). Chances are you will have understeer at which point you can quickly switch the rears to a harder setting (if desired).
You will have a lot more fun with just 20 minutes of work.
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