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I think what he is saying is to not lower the car at all....Originally Posted by Texasscout
So are you saying that it's best NOT to correct neg camber created by lowering or not to lower your car?
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I never understood why people believe that lowering a car creates better handling? All stiffer springs do is reduce body roll.............if spring is 20% stiffer [~~1" lowering] it doesn't reduce roll by 20% because the springs are in parallel with sway bars..........maybe 10-14%.
Lowering the center of gravity by 1" must be corrected for the tread width of suspension so the 5% gets reduced by 1/3rd so at best the roll transfer weight on a tire is improved by much less than 2% [1.7%].
TireRack has some excellant track/slalom/skipad test on lowering and spring/sway/shock changes on BMW and show how little you get for major changes.
Tires create 90-95% of possible handling and suspension adds the rest.
Lowering the center of gravity by 1" must be corrected for the tread width of suspension so the 5% gets reduced by 1/3rd so at best the roll transfer weight on a tire is improved by much less than 2% [1.7%].
TireRack has some excellant track/slalom/skipad test on lowering and spring/sway/shock changes on BMW and show how little you get for major changes.
Tires create 90-95% of possible handling and suspension adds the rest.
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Lowering the center of gravity by 1" must be corrected for the tread width of suspension so the 5% gets reduced by 1/3rd so at best the roll transfer weight on a tire is improved by much less than 2% [1.7%].
TireRack has some excellant track/slalom/skipad test on lowering and spring/sway/shock changes on BMW and show how little you get for major changes.
Tires create 90-95% of possible handling and suspension adds the rest.
Its mostly done for looks IMOOriginally Posted by Q45tech
I never understood why people believe that lowering a car creates better handling? All stiffer springs do is reduce body roll.............if spring is 20% stiffer [~~1" lowering] it doesn't reduce roll by 20% because the springs are in parallel with sway bars..........maybe 10-14%.Lowering the center of gravity by 1" must be corrected for the tread width of suspension so the 5% gets reduced by 1/3rd so at best the roll transfer weight on a tire is improved by much less than 2% [1.7%].
TireRack has some excellant track/slalom/skipad test on lowering and spring/sway/shock changes on BMW and show how little you get for major changes.
Tires create 90-95% of possible handling and suspension adds the rest.
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) The rear camber was off pretty badly, and could not be put back into spec w/ stock hardware. By the time I was able to get a rear camber/toe kit installed and another alignment done, the damage was pretty much completed. Rear tires were showing cord in the inside after about 7000 miles. I just got new rear tires, and another alignment. Now I find out my shocks are blown! Haha. My luck just never runs out. So I will be getting new shocks, probably D-Specs, and paying for another alignment. I strongly suggest being cautious even when going with a mild drop, as this scenario could possibly happen to anyone.
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Jason
i was thinking of nf210, can you post a pix. how's your ride quality. thanksOriginally Posted by threatcon07
This is my experience. I got tanabe NF210, hoping that I would not need a camber kit with it since they were supposed to drop the car .6 in the rear, .9 in the front. I went to get an alignment about one month after I got the springs installed at Hiro's in Costa Mesa. (These guys do alignment by hand, they do the suspension on the RSR drift cars, so I do trust that they actually do the alignment! I am highly suspicious that some places do not ) The rear camber was off pretty badly, and could not be put back into spec w/ stock hardware. By the time I was able to get a rear camber/toe kit installed and another alignment done, the damage was pretty much completed. Rear tires were showing cord in the inside after about 7000 miles. I just got new rear tires, and another alignment. Now I find out my shocks are blown! Haha. My luck just never runs out. So I will be getting new shocks, probably D-Specs, and paying for another alignment. I strongly suggest being cautious even when going with a mild drop, as this scenario could possibly happen to anyone. Warm regards,
Jason