Brembo to Non Brembo Downgrade for max wheel fitment?
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when u go with that big of a wheel up front, you want the least amount of clearance between the brakes and wheel faces. As minimal it may seem, by running non brembo calipers, just the 2-5mm closer to the caliper would help with correcting camber and still let the owner achieve the lip sizes he want on the wheel.
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caliper clearance between the wheel has a lot to do with camber. if the wheel face is closer to the caliper, and the caliper is smaller, then i can run less camber. lets say for an example, the non brembo brakes are around 30mm and the brembos are 35-40mm size in width. With the non brembo calipers, i'd save around 5-10mm of space between the wheel face and the brake caliper. That may seem a little, but for camber correction, it is a lot.
yes, but any minimal amount of correction would be needed even if means putting on non brembo calipers.
how much performance will be sacrificed? this car wont be tracked or raced, it's a daily driver. What difference in performance would it be compared to a sedan or an automatic g35?
how much performance will be sacrificed? this car wont be tracked or raced, it's a daily driver. What difference in performance would it be compared to a sedan or an automatic g35?
It depends on the additional unsprung weight you'd be adding with the wheels. Are you talking about 19", 20"? Regardless of diameter, much wider wheels will certainly require stronger brake torque to induce lockup, and by going to a smaller setup, you could compromise that, even (especially) on a daily driver. Even daily drivers require the ability to stop on a dime in an emergency situation. Anyway, folks with 5AT 03/04 coupes who have gone w/aggressive wheel/tire combos would have to chime in here.
For the added expense of swapping out the calipers, rotors, uprights, BMC and the booster, which won't come cheap unless you get them from a junkyard, why not just get a custom set of wheels made to fit the Brembos that are almost as aggressive as the setup you are contemplating?
For the added expense of swapping out the calipers, rotors, uprights, BMC and the booster, which won't come cheap unless you get them from a junkyard, why not just get a custom set of wheels made to fit the Brembos that are almost as aggressive as the setup you are contemplating?
whats aggressive to you guys? 9.5 width with a +10 - +25ish offset?
with the non brembo caliper setup, we're planning on running either a 10 or 10.5 " wheel up front, with an offset in between +0 - +10.....and of course stretch tire and camber...
rears will be an 11" wheel with an offset in between +0 - +10...
front lip will be around 5inchs and rear will be 5.5 inches...
i can make it happen, and like i said this car will not have any power upgrades, just wheels/suspension as it's a daily driver.
with the non brembo caliper setup, we're planning on running either a 10 or 10.5 " wheel up front, with an offset in between +0 - +10.....and of course stretch tire and camber...
rears will be an 11" wheel with an offset in between +0 - +10...
front lip will be around 5inchs and rear will be 5.5 inches...
i can make it happen, and like i said this car will not have any power upgrades, just wheels/suspension as it's a daily driver.
Do you have this info in any other brake related threads? This is gold to me and should be sticky material
It depends on the additional unsprung weight you'd be adding with the wheels. Are you talking about 19", 20"? Regardless of diameter, much wider wheels will certainly require stronger brake torque to induce lockup, and by going to a smaller setup, you could compromise that, even (especially) on a daily driver. Even daily drivers require the ability to stop on a dime in an emergency situation. Anyway, folks with 5AT 03/04 coupes who have gone w/aggressive wheel/tire combos would have to chime in here.
For the added expense of swapping out the calipers, rotors, uprights, BMC and the booster, which won't come cheap unless you get them from a junkyard, why not just get a custom set of wheels made to fit the Brembos that are almost as aggressive as the setup you are contemplating?
For the added expense of swapping out the calipers, rotors, uprights, BMC and the booster, which won't come cheap unless you get them from a junkyard, why not just get a custom set of wheels made to fit the Brembos that are almost as aggressive as the setup you are contemplating?
thanks,
i didn't realize the bmc, booster, and uprights where manditory to swap. I'd figure a lot of 5AT guys were just swapping calipers, rotors, and (new ss)lines. Similar to the 240sx world where we swap 300zx turbo 30mm 2piston calipers/rotors in place of the stock 1 piston stock calipers and still do fine with the stock 240sx bmc and booster. I didnt think that keeping the beefier 6MT booster and bmc wouldn't effect anything.
9.5 +25 is not aggressive. I'm thinking towards the later. Search for Sin and Robzone's car. They both have pretty aggressive setups w/ BBK ... or used to I believe thier old set ups have been sold now. (Just off the top of my head so someone correct me if I'm wrong). Triple8 knows ... he's been through 1 maybe 2 sets of rims 
This thread is just for further research...nothing's set in stone yet.
caliper clearance between the wheel has a lot to do with camber. if the wheel face is closer to the caliper, and the caliper is smaller, then i can run less camber. lets say for an example, the non brembo brakes are around 30mm and the brembos are 35-40mm size in width. With the non brembo calipers, i'd save around 5-10mm of space between the wheel face and the brake caliper. That may seem a little, but for camber correction, it is a lot.
yes, but any minimal amount of correction would be needed even if means putting on non brembo calipers.
how much performance will be sacrificed? this car wont be tracked or raced, it's a daily driver. What difference in performance would it be compared to a sedan or an automatic g35?
yes, but any minimal amount of correction would be needed even if means putting on non brembo calipers.
how much performance will be sacrificed? this car wont be tracked or raced, it's a daily driver. What difference in performance would it be compared to a sedan or an automatic g35?
also, the owner might want to run negative offsets...
not sure yet.
Please.. don't make such a idiotic comment like that.. You obviously are brainless about cars. People without brembos have much better luck to go big lip without camber the crap out of their wheels like me...
thanks,
i didn't realize the bmc, booster, and uprights where manditory to swap. I'd figure a lot of 5AT guys were just swapping calipers, rotors, and (new ss)lines. Similar to the 240sx world where we swap 300zx turbo 30mm 2piston calipers/rotors in place of the stock 1 piston stock calipers and still do fine with the stock 240sx bmc and booster. I didnt think that keeping the beefier 6MT booster and bmc wouldn't effect anything.
i didn't realize the bmc, booster, and uprights where manditory to swap. I'd figure a lot of 5AT guys were just swapping calipers, rotors, and (new ss)lines. Similar to the 240sx world where we swap 300zx turbo 30mm 2piston calipers/rotors in place of the stock 1 piston stock calipers and still do fine with the stock 240sx bmc and booster. I didnt think that keeping the beefier 6MT booster and bmc wouldn't effect anything.
Right - I was thinking backwards. Smaller BMC piston area would result in greater line pressure. Wildcard is the double-diaphragm booster - not sure what the effect from that would be. It could result in incredibly grabby brakes with little modulation ability. Hard to say for sure...
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