Swirl Marks/scratches!!!

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Nov 29, 2007 | 07:01 PM
  #16  
Yes new car do have swirls thanks to the dealer. You would either have to get the car detail. To remove the swirl marks and maybe some scrathes.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 07:03 PM
  #17  
Quote: It's fine thats normal consider yourself lucky because you only have swirl marks, i had to deal with water spots all over the car plus minor scratches..
My trans am had the same thing. I had to go over the driver with 2000 grit paper to remove the water spots and then us rubbing compound and my machine set to 1500rpm to remove them. Got the car back to looking brand new.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 07:08 PM
  #18  
Quote: You will always see those what you call scratches in the parking lot lights, nothing you can do about those. Sure, it's a brand new car, but it's probably been washed a couple of times before you got it. Sheesh, you need to worry about real stuff! That's totally normal!
You are totally of base and wrong.What the *** are you talking about do you have any clue on detailing a car cause if you did you would know that these are swirl marks and are pretty easy to get them out.......and for good.
First never ever let the dealer give you that free car wash,second do not ever go thru a quick wash unless it is totally touchless.Even if it is touchless they use very harsh soap products that will strip off any wax that is on the car.
Do not listen to this guy at all just talk to george at detailersimage,he is at the sticky at the top of this page.You will have to polish out the swirls and make sure you follow a washing routine as to not introduce anymore marring as it is called.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 07:17 PM
  #19  
Umm, ABQ_G35 are you kidding? Those swirls should NOT be on a brand new car, and there ARE ways to get them out (see: polish, youtube videos on polishing, youtube videos on porter cable 7424, any post from george at detailedimage, or any post by someone who regularly posts good contributions in the Care & Detailing forum). Sorry, not trying to flame you or anything.

I'd haggle with the dealer to get them taken care of, because if you watch any of the videos on a good polish (look at detailedimages thread on the new buffer he's selling, it has such a video in the link) the swirl marks can be cleared up and the paint restored to what a brand new car should look like.

And i feel you, my g's black and it will show any flaw it can. GET IT FIXED!
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Nov 29, 2007 | 07:41 PM
  #20  
I can agree that swirls happen...but heck no I would not accept them from the dealer. If you're going to tell them, tell them now or they will throw it back on you. They can come out easily, but you shouldn't have to use your own time polishing(or pay for that matter if that's your bag) on a brand new car. OP I'm right there with you...brand new should be spanking clean...and its a great feeling to keep that look as long as you can. No way should you start from anything less than perfect off the dealer floor unless its negotiated that way.

Good news...like everybody said...a few bucks or a PC will get them out rather easily.
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Nov 29, 2007 | 08:02 PM
  #21  
Thanks everyone for all the opinions. It may seem like i am over reacting, but i want this car to be perfect, and i want it to stay perfect. like ivoryg said, it should be spanking clean, with no defects unless i negotiated it that way. Also, i grew up with a obsessive compulsive dad, who, if anything is different on his car, he goes ballistic! just habbit i guess. thanks again everyone!
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Nov 29, 2007 | 10:43 PM
  #22  
Quote: You are totally of base and wrong.What the *** are you talking about do you have any clue on detailing a car cause if you did you would know that these are swirl marks and are pretty easy to get them out.......and for good.
First never ever let the dealer give you that free car wash,second do not ever go thru a quick wash unless it is totally touchless.Even if it is touchless they use very harsh soap products that will strip off any wax that is on the car.
Do not listen to this guy at all just talk to george at detailersimage,he is at the sticky at the top of this page.You will have to polish out the swirls and make sure you follow a washing routine as to not introduce anymore marring as it is called.
Just FYI, I have been detailing my own cars since before you could drive, and my cars always sell quick due to being in fantastic shape! You are the one who is totally off base senor! You sure the hell don't have to get nasty about it, please grow up! Thank You!
Quote: Umm, ABQ_G35 are you kidding? Those swirls should NOT be on a brand new car, and there ARE ways to get them out (see: polish, youtube videos on polishing, youtube videos on porter cable 7424, any post from george at detailedimage, or any post by someone who regularly posts good contributions in the Care & Detailing forum). Sorry, not trying to flame you or anything.

I'd haggle with the dealer to get them taken care of, because if you watch any of the videos on a good polish (look at detailedimages thread on the new buffer he's selling, it has such a video in the link) the swirl marks can be cleared up and the paint restored to what a brand new car should look like.

And i feel you, my g's black and it will show any flaw it can. GET IT FIXED!
No, I'm not kidding, but you have to remember, the car isn't just off the line, even if you ordered it, it still came across on a ship, and was covered with cosmoline and those pieces of plastic, which have to removed, and they leave a glue residue too, it will have been detailed by the dealer, and if it's been on the lot for a time, it will have been washed a time or two at least.
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Nov 30, 2007 | 12:47 AM
  #23  
Quote: Umm, ABQ_G35 are you kidding? Those swirls should NOT be on a brand new car, and there ARE ways to get them out (see: polish, youtube videos on polishing, youtube videos on porter cable 7424, any post from george at detailedimage, or any post by someone who regularly posts good contributions in the Care & Detailing forum). Sorry, not trying to flame you or anything.

I'd haggle with the dealer to get them taken care of, because if you watch any of the videos on a good polish (look at detailedimages thread on the new buffer he's selling, it has such a video in the link) the swirl marks can be cleared up and the paint restored to what a brand new car should look like.

And i feel you, my g's black and it will show any flaw it can. GET IT FIXED!

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Swirls shouldnt be on a new car unless washed by the dealer before you took delivery of the car. 2nd very easy to remove swirls especially when they arent that bad of swirls. Porter cable and a fine polish should solve the problem.
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Nov 30, 2007 | 03:56 AM
  #24  
Actually I seen the car's at ever dealer. The brand new cars do have minor swirls. I look at the cars when my mom was looking around for a new car.
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Nov 30, 2007 | 04:44 AM
  #25  
Yeah last time I went to the dealer they asked if I wanted a car wash I said Heelll no because I saw they used a broom to scrub the cars down. They almost washed it anyway till I stoped them
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Nov 30, 2007 | 10:40 AM
  #26  
Quote: Doesn't need to have gone through a car wash, this is totally normal man! You will notice these on every car out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez, the crap you people worry about...........................

Wayne, this has nothing to do with how it's washed, the "swirls" he's talking about are totally normal on a car, only time you see these is under those bright halogen lights in a parking lot, I bet you will even see them on your car.
Swirls are not totally normal and ARE most often, if not always caused by improper washing technique. The dealer OBVIOUSLY f'd up your paint by either running it through an automatic car wash, trying to polish it themselves, or just using bad washing technique. If untouched from the factory, your paint would have been swirl-less.

Now that that is established, you need to get rid of them and keep them off. DO NOT take it back to the dealer! They cannot get rid of them. They are just not qualified and will mess it up worse. You, like me have a black G. Mine is an '04 and is virtually without swirls. Unfortunately, I have had to learn how to detail my own car and to properly wash it to get and keep it this way. Even carefully washing it, I have to polish it about once every 6 months to keep it looking its best.

Since you seem to be a perfectionist, I would suggest going to Autopia.org, which is a detailing forum for hobbyists and professionals. You will, as I did, learn everything you want to know. One of the first things you will learn is that you do not have to live with what some people consider normal: Swirls.
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Nov 30, 2007 | 11:10 AM
  #27  
Automotive detailing has certainly progressed to a point where car enthusiasts can achieve nearly the same (if not better) results as high end professionals with the proper tools, techniques and understanding of detailing. The most common question I receive from our customers is how do I remove swirl marks, hologramming, hazing and other imperfections that typically come from improper washing and drying techniques or improper use of a rotary buffer.

Depending on how bad the imperfections are will determine how aggressive you need to go to remove the imperfections. Light swirls can usually be tackled by hand with a finishing polish, where medium to heavy imperfections can often require multiple polishes and the use of a quality buffer. How "perfect" you want to get your paint is directly correlated to how much time you want to spend and what products and tools you have at your disposal.

The way you remove swirls and imperfections is by using an abrasive polish. Think of imperfections as dips and valleys in your clear coat. The abrasive polish even outs those dips and valleys to a level surface, eliminating imperfections that used to be there. It is possible to remove 95% (or more) of clear coat imperfections if you are determined to, it just takes a lot of time and effort, as well as a solid understanding of the polishing process. Some imperfections will be too deep to safely remove from the paint, especially if you can catch your finger nail on them.

I personally polish my vehicle 2 to 3 times a year and do a good job of removing nearly all of the clear coat imperfections. After polishing, learning the proper washing and drying techniques is the most important thing you can teach yourself since this is where a majority of imperfections occur. When it comes time for me to polish again, I usually have some very light swirls that are no match for a polishing pad and some Menzerna PO106FF polish. I can remove my defects with 1 polish and 1 coat, then go on to protect my finish. It's the initial removal of deeper imperfections that takes a lot of time and effort.

I hope this gives readers a good understanding of what imperfections are, where they come from and how to remove them.

If anyone has any questions on anything or would like me to put together a package for them, please do not hesitate to contact me.

George
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Dec 10, 2007 | 03:43 PM
  #28  
Quote: Automotive detailing has certainly progressed to a point where car enthusiasts can achieve nearly the same (if not better) results as high end professionals with the proper tools, techniques and understanding of detailing. The most common question I receive from our customers is how do I remove swirl marks, hologramming, hazing and other imperfections that typically come from improper washing and drying techniques or improper use of a rotary buffer.

Depending on how bad the imperfections are will determine how aggressive you need to go to remove the imperfections. Light swirls can usually be tackled by hand with a finishing polish, where medium to heavy imperfections can often require multiple polishes and the use of a quality buffer. How "perfect" you want to get your paint is directly correlated to how much time you want to spend and what products and tools you have at your disposal.

The way you remove swirls and imperfections is by using an abrasive polish. Think of imperfections as dips and valleys in your clear coat. The abrasive polish even outs those dips and valleys to a level surface, eliminating imperfections that used to be there. It is possible to remove 95% (or more) of clear coat imperfections if you are determined to, it just takes a lot of time and effort, as well as a solid understanding of the polishing process. Some imperfections will be too deep to safely remove from the paint, especially if you can catch your finger nail on them.

I personally polish my vehicle 2 to 3 times a year and do a good job of removing nearly all of the clear coat imperfections. After polishing, learning the proper washing and drying techniques is the most important thing you can teach yourself since this is where a majority of imperfections occur. When it comes time for me to polish again, I usually have some very light swirls that are no match for a polishing pad and some Menzerna PO106FF polish. I can remove my defects with 1 polish and 1 coat, then go on to protect my finish. It's the initial removal of deeper imperfections that takes a lot of time and effort.

I hope this gives readers a good understanding of what imperfections are, where they come from and how to remove them.

If anyone has any questions on anything or would like me to put together a package for them, please do not hesitate to contact me.

George
Hey George,

Is there any product on the market which I can use to hide the swirl marks in between the 2 to 3 polishes I do annually. I'm looking for a one step easy on/off process that I can use after washing my car. Please advise.
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Dec 10, 2007 | 04:19 PM
  #29  
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