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From: Birmingham AL
I agree that there's no way that a human can shift as fast, not to mention faster, than a proper DSG. And the DSG technology isn't prohibitively expensive; as Dave has already mentioned, Audi/VW has found a way to get it into the <$30k segment.
However, Klubbheads is also correct on at least one front: the DSG version of the M3 cannot match the ET or trap of a full manual M3. I don't know if that's because of launch control or what.
On another note - I found an interesting entry on dragtimes.com: http://www.dragtimes.com/Infiniti-G3...slip-8069.html
It appears to be an 05 5AT that went 13.019@106.030 with an 1/8th time of 8.421@85.260. I'm not sure it's a 5AT; I just assume so because of the wheels in the picture. The entry lists the track as Infineon. His listed mods are megan midpipe, Injen CAI, and a 75 shot. It's nice to know that my car all motor is "in-the-range-of" that car with a 75 shot.
However, Klubbheads is also correct on at least one front: the DSG version of the M3 cannot match the ET or trap of a full manual M3. I don't know if that's because of launch control or what.
On another note - I found an interesting entry on dragtimes.com: http://www.dragtimes.com/Infiniti-G3...slip-8069.html
It appears to be an 05 5AT that went 13.019@106.030 with an 1/8th time of 8.421@85.260. I'm not sure it's a 5AT; I just assume so because of the wheels in the picture. The entry lists the track as Infineon. His listed mods are megan midpipe, Injen CAI, and a 75 shot. It's nice to know that my car all motor is "in-the-range-of" that car with a 75 shot.
Originally Posted by DaveB
I'd have to agree, DSG technology will shift FAR faster than any human. The DSG is amazing because it has two clutches. The shift is basicially instantous because the next gear is already engaged. It's simply not possible for a human to pull off the same thing, even powershifting the living Jesus out of the tranny. Just not possible. Lexus has just pulled off an amazing feat with the 8-speed auto in the upcoming IS-F. The ONLY time the torque converter is engaged is 1st gear. Every other gear and the TC is completely locked resulting in a direct connection to the engine like a manual. It rips off shifts in 10ms.
In most larger displacement cars, the sequential/DSG tranny will be faster in a drag race. On a track, it will most likely be quicker too because it can downshift and rev match far better than most any human. There's a reason this technology is used in multi-million dollar racecars and even those trannies don't shift much quicker than the DSG in a $24K VW. I hope my next car will have some sort of sequential tranny.
In most larger displacement cars, the sequential/DSG tranny will be faster in a drag race. On a track, it will most likely be quicker too because it can downshift and rev match far better than most any human. There's a reason this technology is used in multi-million dollar racecars and even those trannies don't shift much quicker than the DSG in a $24K VW. I hope my next car will have some sort of sequential tranny.
My main question is: If the DSG/SMG trannies are so efficient shouldn't they be faster on the strait line than their conventional tranny counterparts? That is the main question that i have.
Trey I have seen numerous races, even on the highway with 3 honk start between a SMG M3 and Proper 6MT. 6MT always pulls harder for some reason. Doesn't that mean the power delivery from a SMG is not as efficient as in a 6MT? Thats what i meant by it being not as efficient. Same goes for VW GTIs.
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From: Birmingham AL
Dave's right. Tracks around here don't give a damn. The only guys that I saw wearing helmets were all in the tens. I guess by those standards you don't need a cage unless you're in the 3's.
Whoa! Those are some really good times man. You raised the bar pretty high for the rest of us I'm going to give it a try next week at Moroso, but I don't think I'll get near your new time. Your car traps higher for some reason.
I'm going to give it a try next week at Moroso, but I don't think I'll get near your new time. Your car traps higher for some reason.
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From: Southern Cali --> 818
Originally Posted by Klubbheads
in california speedway not only they require helmets for sub 14 cars, they also need a safety jacket. Bunch of bull crap. 
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did anyone go to the import face off in montgomery last weekend or the one b4 that... just heard alot of people in the area went to it and a few here from panama city went... i couldnt go plus id barely be in th 13's.. 8.8-9.0 1/8th is what i keep running consistently
would a 75 shot really only add 5 or 6mph at most in the 1/8th? cuz i trapped 80mph almost everytime and i know im a coupe but damn a75 shot should add more than that... i dont think i believe that time
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