with kinetix plenum, true dual custom exhaust, z-tube, and tune my 2004 G35 sedan 6MTs best time 2.17 60ft 14.172 @ 98.77 mph. at roughly 2400DA In this very condition when i raced 335s, i would lose by about a car or so from 10-110mph. Most of the initial pull happening in beginning of 3rd gear about 65 mph.

After getting my test pipes and retuning the car, i got about 8 rwhp and about 6 rwtq peak and the power curve got more agressive after 5500 rpm. After this i ran against the same 335 10-110 mph and it was a dead even race. Now unfortunetly there was not a drag event during that time for me to get actual numbers to compare to my previous run.

Let's go to my current car (335i): I just ran my 335 last weekend and here are the results for comparison. One thing i noticed about this car is that it is capable of insane launches considering it is on runflats and the same track where my G never saw sub 2.1 60 ft time. Out of two runs I got 2.106 60ft time and yielded to 13.82 run @ 100.58 mph. I got two runs total and after the first one my luanch was at 2.0x but the weather got hotter and the car started trapping under 100mph. Keep in mind this is the same track roughly the same DA but considering that turbo cars aren't affected by elevation, it is not much quicker than my G. Now the car only had 700 miles during this run and im sure the times will improve after 10k miles.

If my race against the 335i was dead even after i got all my mods and my 60ft times were as good as the 335i, I am fairly confident that my car would be able to do the same times as the 335i.

Now the reason i posted this thread is because lots of people have major doubts that 1st gen sedan can not be as fast as the 335 without major mods such as engine internals and what not, but here is my proof that it can be with right mods.

 

I can definitely agree with this. Alot of people assume a full bolt on + tuned G35 wouldn't be able to keep up with a 335i, but it can.

When I attended the private track even with Wally, I had an exhaust, test pipes, and plenum spacer (no tune). My car, on average, was 3-4 tenths slower than his, and trapped ~1.5 mph less.

Now that I added a modified lower plenum (aka MREV2) and a tune, im sure the similarities would be very close at the 1/4 mile.

 

The only advantage that the 335 has is that it launches like a bat out of hell. I am sure i can get in to sub 2.0 60ft times with the stock runfalt tires. Within two runs i was 2.0x.

 

time for the Vishu and bye bye NA Gs =(

 

I'd have to disagree. IMO, I6TT has a much thicker powerband and a lot more torque at all points along the power curve. The car basically makes as much power as a stock LS1 F-Body. In cooler temps, the 335 will be quite a bit quicker than a highly modded DE G35 making similar RWHP. The reason being the turbo power curve is so much thicker, especially all that torque. It's also why the 335 launches so much harder. It doesn't need remotely as much rpm to launch effectively. The biggest advantage is turbo cars aren't remotely as effected by elevation and DA. They generate their own atmosphere and will increase boost in higher elevations or DA conditions. This is why turbos are the choice of German owners in high altitudes.

 

The last 335 that i raced by my house, which is approximately 400 ft above see level was a dead even race 4 out of 4 before my car took a crap.
BTW there was a G37 coupe(6MT) bones stock that was running 14.1 at the drag strip and that same car walked on from my 335 after 80mph near my area which has approximately see level DA. If u don't believe me, I will get a video of it and PM it to you of a 40-140 mph race. There is a big misconception about the G35/G37 being slower than they actually are including those magazine numbers. HR motor will pull on a IS350 with ease if the race is from anything other than dead stop yet u see those insane numbers that the IS350 manages to get on the drag strip because that car is capable of sub 2.0 60ft times on stock tires. Not too many people do sub 2.1 60ft times on stock tires including those magazines hence the reason they having lower 1/4 mile times. That same G37 that i raced (he is a friend of mine) with my G was dead even again from a 40-140 race.
The bottom line is that for the actual 1/4 mile the 335 and the IS350 are better cars but in reality the my modded G was as fast as those cars in real life situations. The new G37 sedan traps 105 mph on the magazine tests (same as the 335) but I am 99% sure that the new sedan will walk on the 335 in decent DA.

Let me give u an example the BMW M5 is a 115 trapping car and the skyline GTR is 119 trapping car. Race those two cars 80-180 and see how many cls the M5 will put on the GTR. There are certain cars that are just faster on higher speeds than their competition. BMW M5 being one of them and the G35 being other.

I can't wait for the new 370z, that car is going to be so fast. It does E46 M3 numbers in magazines but that car is much faster than that and it will be proven once the car comes out.

 

NA car FTW, 335 being one of the most NA like turbo cars but it still sucks when it comes to turbo kicking in.

THere is nothing like having all the power under the gas pedal instead having to wait to other crap to kick in.

 

DaveB,

Have you actually raced a 335i or are you just being theoretical? (serious question).

I'm just wondering since I've raced many 335i's and that really gave me a clear sense of how much faster they really are.

I know as a fact that a full bolt-on + tuned G35 should yield similar results. Just like Vlad stated, the only real advantage is off the line. That's it.

Ofcourse, a stock G35 doesn't stand a chance. But that's not really being discussed here.

 

I don't street race anymore plus street racing is an absolutely horrible way to prove the potential of your car. In a street race, stop or roll, there is no way to accurately note which car goes first. There is ALWAYS a guy that jumps quicker than the other. That can mean anything from .3 seconds to nearly 1 second. That's a HUGE difference in any sort of race. You're not going to know what either car is capable of unless you've got accurate timing (ie the drag strip).

A stock 335 6MT makes about 275whp and 285wtq on a Dynojet HP drops off marginally at 5800rpms, but even at 6500rpms, the car is making nearly 260whp. Then there's the torque. The car is making between 270-280wtq all the way from 2000rpms all the way to nearly 6000rpms. That's amazing. A VQ DE Revup with headers/TD/tune/MREV will see ~260whp/230wtq. It doesn't seem like a big difference until you overlap the graphs and see just how much more immense the 335 powerband is, especially the torque.

Torque just doesn't launch you off the line. It show propels you from rpm. If you're making 50wtq more than the other motor at 4500rpms, that means you're also making a crapload more HP at the same rpm. Simply put, the 335 motor is far more flexible and powerful, though it's only making about 15whp more. It's called power under the curve and that's what makes turbos so damn effective.

Maybe it is possible to hang with a 335 from certain rolls, but I can tell you that a typical modded G isn't going to hang with one from in a 1/4 mile nor on a road course race. It's all about the power to weight and the power curve. Power under the curve is what wins races. The VQ simply can't match it.

 

Not sure why you're implying im street racing, but of all those "encounters" with 335i's have been on the drag strip. I don't street race myself anymore.

I can tell you haven't had any opportunities to go against a 335i. They are quick, but not untouchable. Again, this is a full NA G35 versus a stock 335i.

Other than that, I have to give it to the 335i for being quick straight out of the dealer and for its potential.

 

Dave again 335 is a better drag car. But right bolt ons on the DE motor will give the stock 335 run for its money. That was the whole point i'm trying to make. All the people that say HR motor is much slower than the 335 are talking out of their a$$es as well. I bet none of them have raced them on the same day at the drag strip. I was pretty shocked how i was schooled by the same HR from 80 and up, considering i was neck and neck with the guy about a 2 months ago with my G.

 

Hey Vlad: A little off-topic, but when are you getting the 370Z? I should be in one once my lease is over

Why didn't you go with a 6MT on the 335i?

 

LONG story about the 6MT situation. But to sum it up, i gotta a crazy deal on this particular car.
Once the 370Z mark ups and rates go down, i should be getting one. I'm gonna have trasfer the lease to someone else on the 3, and i should have plenty of people that would want it.
I should have the 370 latest by the end of 09.

check this out
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=155742

I have always said since th G37 came out: Put that motor in the my Old sedan with 3300lb and it will be one quick car to not fvck with. Well they did except it has shorter wheelbase and 2 less doors. What else can you want.

 

Yep! That's what has me excited too. The G35 Coupe has been great to me, but I don't feel like financing the car once again after a lease.

The 370Z grew on me so quickly! Just to think of going full NA + tune on the 370Z with a full suspension has me drooling

 

I beat HRs - G37s, new sedans (even your buddies Vlad) - but I dont beat 335i.