i spoke with my tuner and after a long conversation... he asked me something if i want a daily or a track car???!!!

 

thats pretty close the stroker kit is going to make your pockets sink deeper!!!

 

5-7GRAND on the stroker did m research before... i dont really want to go all out on this car i want to have it conservative for a daily!!!..I dont like them Euros either!!!

 

what he ment by that was, to get you at 300whp N/A you'd compromise alot of drivability. i love my car's new power curve, it's perfectly balenced(for my tastes). i don't get too caught up in dyno numbers these days, the more i read the more i realize dyno's are way to inconsistent to get all caught up w/peak gains. it's the over all gain across the band and how the car drives that matters. i've been told by several different guys that my car on the right dyno on the right day could pull very near 300(280ish)whp. i also know that a lightly modded 6MT G could burn me on the streets. so, it's all about you gettin' ur car tuned to a point that you'll be happy with... hope that helps.

 

I do not think going NA will compromise your drivability. In fact i think it should be better. With the added power and linear power curve it should be a blast to drive. Granted you are not making as much power as a FI so gripping the pavement should be easy and it wouldnt be as peaky and will be alot more predictable in driving or autocrossing. A correctly built high compressed NA motor will be more of a blast to drive (the sounds and the high redline is awesome) compared to FI IMO. The reason people choose FI is because the power gain can be had cheaper than a fully built motor and also that FI has potential for more power, while built motors are limited but nothing a little NO2 cant fix

 

Just by my ATI Procharger kit from me....Its posted up in the Classifieds with alot of goodies for sale with it shipped right to your door..you will not need anymore parts at all just install tune and ready to run..I had 380rwhp with my kit and 364lb of torque....myone suggestion would be to buld your bottom end of your engine and you will be over 400 at the wheels with my kit for sure! I didnt build the bottom end and it was to late once I found out that my tune was to aggressive and I ended up with 2 rods through my oil pan....

 

well, i beg to differ my friend. their are so many factors: how loud ur engine and exhaust get(in cabin noise & vibrations), where ur power is(high peak numbers=higher RPMs), emisssions, gas milage, dependability... DRIVABILITY. there's a reason they don't put race engine's in street cars. you want big numbers from an N/A motor, put a V8 in it. ur V6 does have more power to be unlocked, don't get me wrong.... but the more you gain, the more you lose. feel me?

 

you still havent describe how drivability is lost, you are just stating it. My opinions and yours differ but you have to go into detail how a built NA loses drivability, i put forth input on how it is better I would like you to be more specific on how it is not. And if you are in high rpms of course there will be excessive engine and cabin noise. But i'm guessing if you are in those power ranges you are opening her up and would rather hear the roar.

 

wow, i thought i made it pretty clear...

how loud ur engine and exhaust get(in cabin noise & vibrations), where ur power is(high peak numbers=higher RPMs), emisssions, gas milage, dependability = DRIVABILITY

get it? and what i ment by my comment about high RPMs was; high peak gains are in high RPMs, how much time do you spend in high RPMs on a day to day basis? not much, that's why mid gains and a broad power band are what's really gonna make ur car feel faster. NOT top end numbers that only matter on a dyno. as far as cabin noise, a built NA engine(v6 pushing 320+ to the wheels) is loud & vibrating throughout the power band. get it?

 

Gee3point5Mhmm,
the engine characteristics you're lookin' for are in a V8 or a V6 w/a roots type blower NOT a fully built V6. think about it, if a "correctly built high compression NA motor" could be built w/those characteristics(high HP while maintaining drivability), why hasn't anyone(car company) put one in a street car??? really think about that... even cams, let alone a fully built engine w/low compression, compromise too much drivability. if the R-Tune cams can get you 20 more HP, then why doesn't Nissan just make them standard??? come on, even bolt on's... why don't car companies just squeeze every bit of power out of there cars??? DRIVABILITY, that's why... get it?
DOMO

 

bump for some back up

 

Just purchase the UpRev Osiris to tune and you get new maps for free - although they are reserving the right to charge for this service in the future. That way you don't have to worry about paying for tuning as you mod more and more.

 

How do you lose "drivability", which isnt even a word, when in fact you have a higher powerband. Well probably you'll lose it when you are pushing more HP that you can't grip then yes i consider that losing drivability. This is basic bolt ons and reflash and or NA... The curve should be broader than stock and should be more responsive...

dependability (reliability)... well if you are going NA or FI you have to build your internals... Forged pistons, rods, titanium valves, better main studs, etc. These will in essence increase your reliability given a good tune and a caring owner. Given the same amount of abuse the stock one will for one die quicker...

Anything can be a DD. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE YOU GUESSED IT..TUNE! Go to my350z and go to the NA section and look at z1performance thread. He built a high compression VQ that screams all the way to 8k rpm. Look at the curve see how it is linear and much broader than stock, so when you state that power in high rpms is where he will only be making effiecient power the same can be said when he is in 3k range, which is when the engine isn't noisy yet..

And to your input on car manufacture not producing race engines. Yes, it is for economical reasons (ie "drivability") and market targets, but those are part of a miniscule figure of the whole market.. You have to realize upgrading better components means UPGRADING overall pricing. You can probably max out the VQ naturally aspirated style with all the best parts you can get, BUt guess what? the MSRP will be more than 30-35k that is for sure. You say drivability is what keeps the manufacturers from producing these race engines I say it is the market for which many are factors.. and your "driveability" is only of small significance.

 

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drivability

 

well i keep typing drivability and it's marked with the red squiggly lines.