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Originally Posted by twin001
this is where a Used Oil Analysis (UOA) comes in handy. Search....
An oil analysis, for?
Steve
21 yere independent AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants Dealer
Last edited by HiTechOilCo; Aug 23, 2008 at 03:29 PM.
Originally Posted by HiTechOilCo
From- "Synthetic Oil: Rx For Long Engine Life", by Curt Scott - http://www.getahelmet.com/jeeps/tech/syntheticoil/
"(1) Additives, which may account for as much as 25% of the volume of a can of premium petroleum oil, by themselves have little or no lubricating properties per se. Thus the more the additive content in an oil, the less lubrication is available to the engine."
Might it be possible that the same additive package is present in non-"high mileage oil", but just marketed differently?
With all due respect, if you could clarify, are you stating that M1's automotive oil, (that is available to motorists), is being used in a paper mill in a turbine generator, or are you stating that a specially formulated version of M1 for use in this equipment was developed for industrial use? Further, you mentioned that, "Mobil 1 was only manufacturer who met the specification". So are you stating that all automotive oils on the market were evaluated for this specification, or that the M1 for this application was specifically formulated to meet this specification, (and other oil manufacturer's didn't do this), for use in an industrial setting in a stationary piece of equipment and not for automotive use?
Also, what exactly is this specification number you refer to? Exactly what kind of equipment is this? I would like to look this up.
Lastly, might it be that the environment of a stationary turbine generator doesn't replicate the rigorous environment of an automotive engine and might possibly be comparing apples with oranges?
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
"(1) Additives, which may account for as much as 25% of the volume of a can of premium petroleum oil, by themselves have little or no lubricating properties per se. Thus the more the additive content in an oil, the less lubrication is available to the engine."
Might it be possible that the same additive package is present in non-"high mileage oil", but just marketed differently?
With all due respect, if you could clarify, are you stating that M1's automotive oil, (that is available to motorists), is being used in a paper mill in a turbine generator, or are you stating that a specially formulated version of M1 for use in this equipment was developed for industrial use? Further, you mentioned that, "Mobil 1 was only manufacturer who met the specification". So are you stating that all automotive oils on the market were evaluated for this specification, or that the M1 for this application was specifically formulated to meet this specification, (and other oil manufacturer's didn't do this), for use in an industrial setting in a stationary piece of equipment and not for automotive use?
Also, what exactly is this specification number you refer to? Exactly what kind of equipment is this? I would like to look this up.
Lastly, might it be that the environment of a stationary turbine generator doesn't replicate the rigorous environment of an automotive engine and might possibly be comparing apples with oranges?
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Seems like you didn't understand my reply... Volume of the Lubricant will be affected by adding more additive which make sense. But what I meant on my reply was the actual properties of the lubricant will not loose it integrity.... Due to the fact that additive enhances the molecule strength. Basically, with less lubricant by the volume but oil provides higher lubricant properties within the oil content. I hope this reiterate what I was specifying.
Yes, please do some research on the TG prior to the replies.... I can go forever with the TG's.... But yes, Mobil 1 has specific oil properties for TG applications. Basically, you just can't use automotive oil in the TG... Also, I was talking about TG's not automotive... Automotive world, they tend to spec out their own OEM specification and give it their preferred vendors/manufacturer to be produced.
I can't specify the specification due to legal rights within the company, but do some research on the Turbine Generators... If you don't know what Turbine Generator is.... This discussion is done. But quick 101 TG for you.... specific pressurized steam supplied to the Turbine Generator, which rotates the turbines blades which is connected to the generator to produce energy (Electricity!). And for your last question, Automotive engine will not see stress and load like Turbine Generators will see... Not in any automotive engine for now or in the future.... BR
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Originally Posted by G35coupe
Yes, please do some research on the TG prior to the replies.... I can go forever with the TG's.... But yes, Mobil 1 has specific oil properties for TG applications. Basically, you just can't use automotive oil in the TG... Also, I was talking about TG's not automotive... Automotive world, they tend to spec out their own OEM specification and give it their preferred vendors/manufacturer to be produced.
I can't specify the specification due to legal rights within the company, but do some research on the Turbine Generators... If you don't know what Turbine Generator is.... This discussion is done. But quick 101 TG for you.... specific pressurized steam supplied to the Turbine Generator, which rotates the turbines blades which is connected to the generator to produce energy (Electricity!). And for your last question, Automotive engine will not see stress and load like Turbine Generators will see... Not in any automotive engine for now or in the future.... BR
I can't specify the specification due to legal rights within the company, but do some research on the Turbine Generators... If you don't know what Turbine Generator is.... This discussion is done. But quick 101 TG for you.... specific pressurized steam supplied to the Turbine Generator, which rotates the turbines blades which is connected to the generator to produce energy (Electricity!). And for your last question, Automotive engine will not see stress and load like Turbine Generators will see... Not in any automotive engine for now or in the future.... BR
Well, since this is an automotive forum and not a turbine generator forum, if I may, your discussion as to M1 being the best was slightly confusing. You might have erroneously led the reader to conclude that since a given oil was being used in your turbine generator with good results, that same oil would be a adequate choice for a vehicle's engine, which of course wouldn't be correct. I am glad we have that clarification. Thank you. 
With your impressive knowledge of turbine generators, could you educate us as to why the manufacturer of a given piece of machinery would want to keep the the specification for the lubricant used in their machinery, a secret? How could any other oil company meet the specification if the parameters for meeting that specification are kept secret? Maybe this would explain why only one oil company met the specification and if the specification is a secret, then it would seem we really have no way of even knowing if another oil would meet that specification?
So the M1 for this turbine generator was specifically formulated for that application and isn't an automotive oil, as I suspected. Thank you for the clarification. Again, with this being an automotive forum I thought it might be an important point to clarify, that the M1 manufactured for an automotive engine wasn't the same oil being manufactured for an industrial application turbine generator.
My last, "question", wasn't really a question per se, as it was a statement that a turbine generator and a vehicle's engine are worlds apart with the environments they operate in, (obviously), so again it might be comparing apples with oranges.
I am confident you are quite knowledgeable regarding turbine generators, but since I don't work with them, (as you do), I have no interest in them, and again, this being an automotive forum, the relevance of turbine generators here might be slim to none. Not trying to pick a fight mind you, just wanted to clarify the situation.
Steve
21 year independent AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants Dealer
Last edited by HiTechOilCo; Aug 23, 2008 at 03:31 PM.
Originally Posted by HiTechOilCo
Well, since this is an automotive forum and not a turbine generator forum, if I may, your discussion as to M1 being the best was slightly confusing. You might have erroneously led the reader to conclude that since a given oil was being used in your turbine generator with good results, that same oil would be a adequate choice for a vehicle's engine, which of course wouldn't be correct. I am glad we have that clarification. Thank you.
With your impressive knowledge of turbine generators, could you educate us as to why the manufacturer of a given piece of machinery would want to keep the the specification for the lubricant used in their machinery, a secret? How could any other oil company meet the specification if the parameters for meeting that specification are kept secret? Maybe this would explain why only one oil company met the specification and if the specification is a secret, then it would seem we really have no way of even knowing if another oil would meet that specification?
So the M1 for this turbine generator was specifically formulated for that application and isn't an automotive oil, as I suspected. Thank you for the clarification. Again, with this being an automotive forum I thought it might be an important point to clarify, that the M1 manufactured for an automotive engine wasn't the same oil being manufactured for an industrial application turbine generator.
My last, "question", wasn't really a question per se, as it was a statement that a turbine generator and a vehicle's engine are worlds apart with the environments they operate in, (obviously), so again it might be comparing apples with oranges.
I am confident you are quite knowledgeable regarding turbine generators, but since I don't work with them, (as you do), I have no interest in them, and again, this being an automotive forum, the relevance of turbine generators here might be slim to none. Not trying to pick a fight mind you, just wanted to clarify the situation.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
With your impressive knowledge of turbine generators, could you educate us as to why the manufacturer of a given piece of machinery would want to keep the the specification for the lubricant used in their machinery, a secret? How could any other oil company meet the specification if the parameters for meeting that specification are kept secret? Maybe this would explain why only one oil company met the specification and if the specification is a secret, then it would seem we really have no way of even knowing if another oil would meet that specification?
So the M1 for this turbine generator was specifically formulated for that application and isn't an automotive oil, as I suspected. Thank you for the clarification. Again, with this being an automotive forum I thought it might be an important point to clarify, that the M1 manufactured for an automotive engine wasn't the same oil being manufactured for an industrial application turbine generator.
My last, "question", wasn't really a question per se, as it was a statement that a turbine generator and a vehicle's engine are worlds apart with the environments they operate in, (obviously), so again it might be comparing apples with oranges.
I am confident you are quite knowledgeable regarding turbine generators, but since I don't work with them, (as you do), I have no interest in them, and again, this being an automotive forum, the relevance of turbine generators here might be slim to none. Not trying to pick a fight mind you, just wanted to clarify the situation.
Steve
Hi-Tech Oil Co.
Steve, thats cool..... I agree with you... I probably did mislead some people when I wrote "Cleanest"... It is comparing Apples to Oranges but mobil 1 using in harsher environment says alot on their quality and performance.... I don't work with automobiles everyday... But it's my hobbie... I've been working on cars for little over 10yrs now... I had 11 sec teg, 10 sec eclipse gsx and frankenstein B series hatch all motor ran low 12sec, & my wifes GS300 is a daily driver low 13 sec NA. All the Hondata system in my hondas were tune by me of course, and AEM tuned by me and help from my good friend in VA beach TJ.... Now my project car is G35 which I definitely see alot of potential (Also new to the Nissan world)... So I was basically speaking from my experience with the oil that I've been using for my cars and also my friends... Which we use nothing but Mobil 1 (I used to use Valvoline which is not bad) and we never had any issues with transmission or engine from not using OEM spec'd fluid. It just tickles my nerves when folks states "Don't use no other fluids except OEM spec" and they don't know the main reason. So, I'm providing this information to folks who may use this information in a good term. I'm sure that other oils are still good to use. All I was getting to was people don't have to use OEM spec'd fluids... Aftermarket fluids will not be harmful as long as you meet their formula rating.... But like someone stated, if you have warranty... You might want to use their OEM spec'd fluid so warranty won't be avoided... Also, Typical TG's are spec'd from GE...
BR
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