boost or all motor?
#1
boost or all motor?
I need a new block for my coupe. im going to buy one fully built. i really like naturally inspired motors but i also know that going that route will cost alot of money and i will not get the same results as a turbo motor. i can either buy a high compresion block or a low compresion block for turbo applications. stuck in between. how much power can we really get out of a motor that has no turbo nor is supercharged. , and how much money will it take to make the car run with turbo g35 going all motor?
#2
You will never be able to match the performance of a TT setup with an N/A VQ. If you do a fully built motor and stroked as much as possible, which I'm assuming will cost upwards of $15,000 you won't see higher than 310-315whp.
On the other hand, spend $20,000 on a TT + built motor and all other supporting mods and you have 600+whp depending on the setup.
On the other hand, spend $20,000 on a TT + built motor and all other supporting mods and you have 600+whp depending on the setup.
#5
Who is doing your work? Even a fully stroked and built Cosworth motor and head won't cost that much, and you should be looking at about 400 to 450 to the wheels... I can't tell you what I was quoted, but it was much less than $15k...
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If I had it to do over . I would have stayed N/A . The down time and money spent was way to much . I did make many mistakes along the way . Be careful what shop you pick . Some of the top notch shops on these form are not what every one makes them out to be . There are several AAM type shops here on the forums . I know there are trying to improve thier image . But some shops with the best image on the forums are the most money comes first , we do nothing wrong shops
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#7
That is just the motor. What about labor/support mods?
You will never get anywhere near 400whp N/A, unless there is something new I have never seen.
If you want 310whp+, you need boost.
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That is just the motor. What about labor/support mods?
You will never get anywhere near 400whp N/A, unless there is something new I have never seen.
If you want 310whp+, you need boost.
That is just the motor. What about labor/support mods?
You will never get anywhere near 400whp N/A, unless there is something new I have never seen.
If you want 310whp+, you need boost.
Last edited by dofu; 02-04-2009 at 01:23 AM.
#9
Nope. All motor VQs put together by a good builder have been putting out about 400whp. The motor Cosworth built for SSC for the Castrol Challenge was rated at 450 to the wheels. I think there were a few on my350z too... The prices Cosworth offered for everything including the plenum were very tempting... if one day I feel the need to spend that much more on my car, we'll find out for sure from my personal first hand experience.
http://my350z.com/forum/na-builds/39...-438hp-na.html
That is around 330whp assuming normal drivetrain loss.
Awesome!
I priced some of their major components (what you can get now) for an VQ overhaul.
$8239 (short block)
$4635 (ported heads)
$1313 (plenum)
$1399 (cams)
$1190 (ultra race valve spring kit)
$655 (fuel rail)
A screaming 400hp VQDE would be nice, but ($17,431) makes you see the reality of it. Especially when you have 10k (oil coolers/LG radiator, drivetrain components, gauges, exhaust from the block back, ECU, etc.) to finish off a project like this correctly.
Zquicksilver
I priced some of their major components (what you can get now) for an VQ overhaul.
$8239 (short block)
$4635 (ported heads)
$1313 (plenum)
$1399 (cams)
$1190 (ultra race valve spring kit)
$655 (fuel rail)
A screaming 400hp VQDE would be nice, but ($17,431) makes you see the reality of it. Especially when you have 10k (oil coolers/LG radiator, drivetrain components, gauges, exhaust from the block back, ECU, etc.) to finish off a project like this correctly.
Zquicksilver
Unless this isn't the motor you're talking about, you're wrong. There has never been a 450whp N/A VQ in North America as far as we know. I'm not say I, because I'm pretty sure I have the majority of members here to agree with me.
#11
Basically my whole point is it is not worth it to go N/A if you want power. Well, not only is it not worth it, you can't match the power with boost. It is still very expensive either way.
#12
It depends on what you're looking for. If you're tracking your car, you might be better off with the linear power of na. If you're taking your car to the 1/4 mile strip, you want boost. The last time I talked to the guys at Cosworth, all I was asking for was 350 to the wheels. They were claiming 400 is doable. They never disappointed with their other motors, I don't see why this one would be that different.
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#14
It depends on what you're looking for. If you're tracking your car, you might be better off with the linear power of na. If you're taking your car to the 1/4 mile strip, you want boost. The last time I talked to the guys at Cosworth, all I was asking for was 350 to the wheels. They were claiming 400 is doable. They never disappointed with their other motors, I don't see why this one would be that different.
#15
Nope. All motor VQs put together by a good builder have been putting out about 400whp. The motor Cosworth built for SSC for the Castrol Challenge was rated at 450 to the wheels. I think there were a few on my350z too... The prices Cosworth offered for everything including the plenum were very tempting... if one day I feel the need to spend that much more on my car, we'll find out for sure from my personal first hand experience.
edit* my bad no the didnt