Throttle Body Spacer or Vortec Cyclone
#31
04-14-2010, 01:43 PM
If Tony flat out says they don't make power and has questioned why he thinks other dynos show they make power, then yes, he would be questioning anyone that has dyno'd the tbs in that manner. Not rocket science here. But thanks for unsuccessfully trying to descredit my information here. It is valid and it does stand. Have a great day.
#32
04-14-2010, 01:45 PM
I'm only responding so noobs coming in here know you're full of sh*t too.
A lift, tools, a Mustang dyno, lots of parts, and more than a little understanding of how these parts work. And lots of time in the twisties and a lot of ***** and not too much sense when I was young because, well... you gotta really drive the car to know if it's improved or not. Having friends that build cars, tune, and teach helped too of course.
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#33
04-14-2010, 01:47 PM
If Tony flat out says they don't make power and has questioned why he thinks other dynos show they make power, then yes, he would be questioning anyone that has dyno'd the tbs in that manner. Not rocket science here. But thanks for unsuccessfully trying to descredit my information here. It is valid and it does stand. Have a great day.
#34
04-14-2010, 01:48 PM
If you dont care - why do you keep responding?
run and get those big boy pants... whiner.
#35
04-14-2010, 01:57 PM
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#38
04-14-2010, 02:15 PM
why are you making **** up now?
#39
04-14-2010, 02:18 PM
BTW - are you suggesting I wouldn't tell you the same thing in person?... If so you are wrong.
#40
04-14-2010, 02:41 PM
#41
04-14-2010, 03:26 PM
#42
04-14-2010, 03:33 PM
but of course some people feel they need to tell OP what to get because they have all the "right" answers...
#44
04-14-2010, 04:17 PM
https://g35driver.com/forums/2340501-post35.html
Tony being suspect of the other dynos showing gains. Hmmm could he be referring to Church's dyno???? 
He's clearly questioning the methodology without compromising his own methods of dyno testing.
So no, I'm not making anything up Mike.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OCG35
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Tony concluded that TBS aren’t worth is based on his version that he beta-tested.
Originally Posted by OCG35
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Tony concluded that TBS aren’t worth is based on his version that he beta-tested.
Hydrazine
Hi Mike,
I was certaint of it based on my own design testing, but after testing yours on your car, I was convinced they don't work at all.
Remember, after we uninstalled yours, your car dynod exactly the same on all parts of the curve.
Hi Mike,
I was certaint of it based on my own design testing, but after testing yours on your car, I was convinced they don't work at all.
Remember, after we uninstalled yours, your car dynod exactly the same on all parts of the curve.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OCG35
. However, when multiple dyno pulls on my car with an entirely different TBS was tested at his facility, there absolutely was gains! Tony feels it was the ECU playing tricks (to the tune of 10hp)
Originally Posted by OCG35
. However, when multiple dyno pulls on my car with an entirely different TBS was tested at his facility, there absolutely was gains! Tony feels it was the ECU playing tricks (to the tune of 10hp)
Hydrazine
And yes, I am sure it was the ECU. Even before testing, I explained ECU changes can happen. And they typically move upward after a few pulls on the dyno and reach a plateau.
If the TB spacer was making gains, your car would have lost power after it was removed. But it didn't.
And yes, I am sure it was the ECU. Even before testing, I explained ECU changes can happen. And they typically move upward after a few pulls on the dyno and reach a plateau.
If the TB spacer was making gains, your car would have lost power after it was removed. But it didn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OCG35
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Quite honestly, I feel it has to do the TBS. I respect and value Tony as a professional and as a friend – but our conclusions are different. Furthermore, other dynos have shown gains as well and indeed some haven’t
Originally Posted by OCG35
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Quite honestly, I feel it has to do the TBS. I respect and value Tony as a professional and as a friend – but our conclusions are different. Furthermore, other dynos have shown gains as well and indeed some haven’t
Hydrazine
For the ones that did show gains, I would give it a second thought if they were consistant in their magnitude and RPM. But they haven't.
Without strict testing controls, you could take a fleet of cars, dyno them all, and redyno them 30 minutes later and the vast majority of them will dyno higher the second time around. The ECU needs to be normalized for both sets of tests for the test to be valid.
I'm not bashing, taking sides or trying to rain on any parades. I'm just saying what I know from test experience.
And believe me. If there was any real HP to be made from a TB spacer, I would exploite its engineering to the max. ...But its just not there.
Tony
For the ones that did show gains, I would give it a second thought if they were consistant in their magnitude and RPM. But they haven't.
Without strict testing controls, you could take a fleet of cars, dyno them all, and redyno them 30 minutes later and the vast majority of them will dyno higher the second time around. The ECU needs to be normalized for both sets of tests for the test to be valid.
I'm not bashing, taking sides or trying to rain on any parades. I'm just saying what I know from test experience.
And believe me. If there was any real HP to be made from a TB spacer, I would exploite its engineering to the max. ...But its just not there.
Tony
So no, I'm not making anything up Mike.
#45
04-14-2010, 04:32 PM
^^^ he wasn't addressing the Church dyno... he didn't even know what other dyno's were done - and at THAT time only Shawn had dyno'd the thing (which is what led my quest to find it and find out about it)... whih of course led me to go to Tony's shop to do the testing we did.
The dyno day testing was after all this and was with the EXACT SAME CONTROLLED TESTING that Tony uses... THE EXACT SAME MACHINE, PEOPLE and METHOD that did the Motordyne plenum spacer tests... Tony used Shawn's shop and the same controlled methods (DaveO enacted) for much of his R&D (even recently)... so why would it be different with the tbs (oh, just to suit your claims - I get it).
So yes, you are making things up.
As usual you study the internet take things out of context - report things inaccurately all the while not having any first hand knowledge of any of it.
Once again Jeff - you are wrong.
As for the various pro's and cons of the tbs itself - yes, yes, we all know the run around that that entire topic goes through... are you that bored that you want to go through it again??? Let me save you the time - just go read all the other threads about it. DUH
The dyno day testing was after all this and was with the EXACT SAME CONTROLLED TESTING that Tony uses... THE EXACT SAME MACHINE, PEOPLE and METHOD that did the Motordyne plenum spacer tests... Tony used Shawn's shop and the same controlled methods (DaveO enacted) for much of his R&D (even recently)... so why would it be different with the tbs (oh, just to suit your claims - I get it).
So yes, you are making things up.
As usual you study the internet take things out of context - report things inaccurately all the while not having any first hand knowledge of any of it.
Once again Jeff - you are wrong.
As for the various pro's and cons of the tbs itself - yes, yes, we all know the run around that that entire topic goes through... are you that bored that you want to go through it again??? Let me save you the time - just go read all the other threads about it. DUH