Thanks for all of the positive words.

NO LIMIT...

The posted Link...

Did you even read this thread...And its outcome?

Hope you are having a wonderful day!

M

 

I read it Michael,

I will never have you install a used Tn single....lol

I am sure you are capable, but why install that when you can have the best, a JWT TT?

My only concern, what I wanted to talk to you about today was, how are you going to tune my V-Pro?

I am convinced that the JWT (and maybe APS) TT's are FAR AND AWAY the best FI systems for our cars.

Doesn't it make sense to combine the best TT (JWT) with the best engine management (V-PRO). That combo (if possible) would be incredible.

Just a thought.

If you were HKS certified I would gladly drive to CA and give you my car.

Gladly.

 

I'm STILL going to VRT. That thread is talking about a USED TN kit.

That is the first time I read anything bad about them. I have no bias either because I haven't even gone to them...yet. I have only spoken to Scott on several occasions with questions about my install. Oh I did get their Front STB. Their customer service is excellent.

 

Thanks Chris, Let me know when you are ready for us to start on your car.

.....Just call me..........

 

yeah, i read it, ... i posted that/the post is from over a month ago, ... you guys hadn't chimmed in yet on the thread, ... from the looks of it, you guys did a good job getting that guy squared away.(I posted a link instead of making a comment so people can read for themselves and come to their own conclusions, ... if someone were to read the whole thread, they'd see all that you guys did for him) Trust me, I Know all too well there are always two sides to a story ...

You guys should get HKS Pro Dealer status asap!!

 

Thanks.

Sorry not on top of all of the boards ALL of the Time, so many and pretty busy. Building a new shop.

Would love to see your car when done, looks like Tim is going to give you a monster.

M

 

Thanks.

Hope you are well and nice to talk and do this ASAP.

M

 

I don't know all that much about the V-pro. Can you give us a quick synopsis? I understand pushing the envelope but how much more safe power can you really expect it to make compared to the Split Second box? Is it really worth that much cash?

 

No real difference...If there was there would be more 650 WHP Gs and Zs.

Software and units are tools, the tuner and builders need to know his stuff to push the limits. There is a Det-Sensor tool that is cool.
What up Ty?

M

 

Are you saying there is no real difference between the F-Con V-Pro and the split second box???????
If so, that is a silly assumption.

The F Con V Pro is a Full Featured Stand Alone EM system. It has much higher resolution than a "piggy back" computer. Using it along with the HKS Knock Amp sys you can set a target A/F ratio, and the V-Pro will adjust automatically never letting engine run detrimentally lean, it has the capability to read drive-by-wire vehicles, you can replace the MAF sensor, raise the rev limit, fire injectors 3 different ways, data logging, .... the list goes on and on....... it's a Stand Alone Engine Management.
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- Main Functions include:
- Ability to store 4 different fuel/ignition/boost maps
- Fuelling Mapping
- Ignition Mapping
- Boost Mapping
- Injection Format
- Additional Injector Control
- Nitrous Oxide Injection Control
- Launch Control
- Multiple User Defined Rev Limits
- User defined activation levels via pressure, speed, revs, temperature
- Acceleration Enrichment Correction
- Cranking Fuel Injection Control
- Water temp / fuel injection control
- Anti-Lag Control
- Leading & Trailing Ignition Control
- Water Injection Control
- Boost Ramp Control
- Auto A/F Ratio Adjustment
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A downside is needing a HKS Pro Dealer with the HKS Pro Writer Software to tune it. But has cool tools for tuning too, like the auto-tune stuff.

If i had more time, i would lay out a feature list of each, but i can't....
.... think of it like this, .... Why would Top import tuners around the world be switching to the V Pro, ... if they could do the same thing with something like the Split Second box?
here is the split second website: http://www.splitsec.com/products/fueltime.htm , ... I like the SS, but not for my high HP car.

 

This alone should convince you not to go with VRT! Before i read that post, which was further down in the thread, I wasn't going to even mention VRT versus GTM, even though IMO GTM as a shop is light years ahead of VRT. But this kinda proves it. Fcon vs Split Second, they should not even be uttered in the same sentence. One uses crank angle signal spoofing to control timing, the other has fully programmable 32x32 timing map. This is about 10% of the total advantage that fcon has over SS (which is a pre-ecu piggyback device). What I was going to say is to go with APS over JWT, although both sstems have pretty decent potential. You should know that the APS turbos are probably more capable of higher boost than the "530BB turbos".

 

Much respect for the famous Gurgen. He's definitely been there and done that when it comes to FI.

But again I ask, what makes the HKS worth $4k+ (which is the price that I saw for the complete kit on another thread)? And are the potential gains worth that much cash? What are the potential gains?

The JWT kit is also available with the 700BB turbos as an option for the boost junkies.

 

the 4k was for the V Pro, Knock Amp, all accessories needed, Installation of the V Pro, a dual exhaust and installation, plus a tune when done.

So it doesn't exactly cost 4k just for the V Pro. You can find all you need from about 2200-2600. So figure about ~1K more than a UTEC and knock amp on average...

is it worth it, .. IMHO YES (but opinions on this board don't mean **** unless you live on the f-ing internet, nevermind what experience you have)
Potential gains? SAFETY. Fine Tuning and features which are not possible with a 'lesser' product. And yes, you will be able to see power gains from using the V Pro as well, not to mention safe power. Some of the highest HP Supra's got to where they are b/c of the V Pro....

 

Roneski

Lets compare apples with apples. TO get essental timing and fuel control that the SS box kinda gives you (in a piggyback fashion), all you need is the Vpro itself (can be had for $1200). Now there is the question of hte wiring harness. As far as I know, SS doesn't come with a plug in haness for our ECUs, so if oyu take that into account then you will only need need to get the universal harness for the Vpro ($88). Well, consider the costs now. $4k was certainly not for the unit alone. KNock amp is a decent unit also, and is very helpful in tuning. The plug in harness for the z's is on the order of $470 or so, substantially more than the $88...so you can opt for that as well.

The costs are not unreasonable at all. SS was chosen for it's price, that's it. EU has it beat in many many categories. Also, I second what NoLimit said with respect to power/safety.

 

If it can enhance safety by the factor that everyone seems to think then I'm all for it. Question, as a standalone does it replace the factory ECU altogether? If so, how does that affect emissions testing?