Removal and reinstallation ah that makes sense I thought it was rebuild and something else.

It's been mentioned before turbo torque is rougher on the internals than SC power. I can understand the want for some piece of mind. From everything I've read it's almost luck of the draw with these motors, some pop some chug along. Paying a core charge and rebuilding is a tough thing to think about.

I have no idea of SGP is overpriced or not. Their engine packages don't overpriced, I have no idea about their labor or if they bang you for every little thing or not. Who else have you talked to? Jotech is the other Texas shop that comes to mind, they're HKS authorized as well.

Kind of wondering why you're getting the Fcon ahead of time? In 6-8 months from now I have no idea what position I'd be in or where I want to take my ride. Dropping almost 5k on engine management NA is a big commitment. Todd from builtzmotors just sold a used fcon with knock amp for 1800.

 

I was wondering the same thing, purchasing the management system ahead of time is a big expense, makes you have to go FI now

 

I think this is grossly underestimated. With labor and tuning as well as the other incidentals you mentioned below, I have never seen a TT and engne build at that price. I wish I had some quotes on hand, but let me give you a local person's breakdown with just an APS TT setup (no engine build). Keep in mind, he purchased some "optional" equipment, but at least this will give you an insight...

 

Correct. Sleeving is OVERKILL if you goal is only 400rwhp.

 

I think we were only discussing engine builds not the actual price of the APS kit or any kit for that matter.

 

No, you cannot have a discussion of an engine build without considering the price of a turbo system. Yes, I priced an APS system as a SAMPLE of what you can pay...My point is.... 15-16k only accounts for the TT and goodies, not the engine build. To say you can do EVERYTHING for 16k is grossly underestimated. If someone out there can do everthing for 16k, SIGN ME UP!!

 

My engine build did not cost 16k thats for sure, but I didn't get all the gauges as I am going a different route but neither did I get the APS strut bar or plenum or shifter.....and no sales tax. I aint going to say how much I spent but it was for sure not 16k. Plus I got my APS kit at a real good price and not $7400

 

I'm not saying an engine build is going to cost 16k.... Again, I'm talking about engine build, TT system, & goodies TOGETHER. For most people, that is going to cost at least 20k. If you got hooked up, and can pay cash to avoid sales tax, that's awesome for you, but let's not mislead the avg. customer who is reading this thread. There is enough mis-information floating around. My car is actually sponsored (APS ST and with engine build), but no way would I also post how much I paid for everything...

 

I agree that 20k for everything is all you need to spend on getting a car ready for 400hp but there is a lot of other thing that do not need to be done so I would consider 20k a fair price.
If you want all the bangs and whistles then go for it but they are not neccessary.

I did not get a hook up, just worked out a good deal which anyone on this board can do, just shop around there is more choice than there has ever been.

 

I have seen a specific quote from SGP racing for an APS TT plus shortblock rebuild and install for about that. It included most things except gauges and radiator.

Tranny work is not included so a realistic tag for a proper TT should be close to $20K. When you're spending a bundle that big, there might be some opportunity to leverage in a few extras.

It looks like (roughly) 400 WHP is an important dividing line on costs. If you can live with that, you can probably get by for around $10K for a turbo install. Going up another 100 WHP at least doubles the price because you cross the "likely failure" or "dramatically reduced service life" line for both the engine and the transmission.

Almost every "hobby" has two aspects. There is an "on paper" aspect and there is a reality aspect. Reading these forums is one thing and actually driving the car is quite another.

In reality, a 400 WHP G35 is a pretty fast car. Above that level, usable power becomes traction limited rather quickly. Diminishing returns are a factor that will not go away simply because it is ignored.

Reality check - How much power can one reasonably use and afford? How much money is one willing to part with for bragging rights?

I'm not suggesting answers to these questions for anyone, only that they be honestly faced.