Ok Vortech do blow up motor so after a rebuild you're are still stuck with a weak FI system

check Mr_pharmD car who had AT 05 g35c with only 10K boosted mile pushing 430hp/350tq. This thing is so violent that the rod went straight thru the oil pan.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287103.

 

Yep - a sad story indeed - for possibly the first Vortech on the board to blow an engine...and how many turbo's have blown engines??? More than DOZENS....

Hey - I already stated my preferences and reasons for not going the way I REALLY wanted....

 

Well, I wouldn't use Mr_pharmD as an example of Vortech's blowing engines just yet. He still doesn't even now what caused the engine to blow that violently. And even if it was caused by the Vortech, that is just one as opposed to dozens of T and TT's that blow engines. The torque in T/TT's is what causes these engines to go. SC's don't produce the kind of torque that T/TT's do. The jury is still out on what happened to Mr_pharmD's G.

 

+1 Best advice I've heard yet. Don't do it twice like so many of us have

 

The OP is comparing SC and Turbo and obviously Turbo will walk on SC any day. Vortech was my first option before I had the turbo but that is because I had a good deal. I'm not arguing that SC is less or more reliable coz I'm already sold that centrifugal SC is much safer than any turbo (I see Turbo guys rolling their eyes now) but that is because SC power curve is pretty low compare to a Turbo. I'm just making a point that a SC can break motor if pushed and same as Turbo can be safe if power are kept to a low number. There are ST guys that has been running on 50K+ miles on just a reflash True that there are lots of Turbo blowing left and right but that is because there are more of them and lots of them ran over 400+ whp back then with crappy EMS.

 

There is no doubt that most T/TT setups will walk an SC anyday. No arguement there. And there is more potential for big numbers from a T/TT. But the OP is asking about safety and reliability and comparing a ST to a SC setup at 370whp. With all things being equal and both rated at 370whp, I would go with the SC anyday. The SC is going to produce much less torque, which is what puts the most stress on parts and causes breakage. And as long as you keep it under 3500-4000rpm (during daily driving) it drives almost like stock. Boost on a SC (well the Vortech anyways) doesn't really kick in until about 3500-4000rpm as opposed to a T/TT setup that can make unreal amounts of boost/torque at 3500-4000rpm. Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing against going T/TT. Hell, if Cali didn't have such strict emissions laws, I would have gone with the JWT TT setup myself. But for what the OP is stating he is looking for, I think a Vortech setup would be perfect. If he was saying that he wanted a 500whp street monster, T/TT is obviously the way to go. But the OP's goals seem to be very similar to what I wanted when I first started researching going FI. Like ISMSOLUTIONS said earlier:

 

^^^^^ +1

Also - the OP is on a pretty strict budget...with all things being equal..SC

 

what are we arguing about?

 

What's even funnier - is they are both the same technology - they just spin from different sources..

 

haha!! I wouldn't call it arguing, we are just discussing the pros/cons off both types of FI. Either way, I am sure the OP is getting more info than he bargained for! lol!!

 

Hey JOE603 -

Don't forget - please let us know what you got the quote for, exactly, for $7,200.

Also - shameless plug for superchargersonline.com for pricing!! Let Tony (not FI's Tony) know Rick from Fast Intentions sent ya!!

Rick

 

Couldn't have said it any better.. I had an APS Single Turbo .. spent around $12k then blew it up. Now im going with the Greddy Twin. Got all my parts for around $10K & I got a lot (Kit + intercooler, CJM return fuel sys, koyo radiator, clutch+flywheel, aps 3" exhaust, aam 3" downpipes, springs, ebc, 4 guages & some dumb engine goodies)

 

care to give is some detail on you old setup? I assume you were running Unichip and what HP/TQ were you running and for how many miles.

 

I hope you are building your engine too this time.

 

I did my comparisons, reading and research, and the Vortech, for the reasons stated above made sense. Safe, my wife drives my car once in a while, and she may never know its even there. Reliable...I cant say i have read much negative stuff on the Vortech's. And one big plus, is if I have a major F up in the motor, the SC kit can be removed in a day and then ship it off to the dealership with the ???? look when I say "I am not sure why that is, was like that when I bought it".

YOu can read there are more than enough peeps in here that have put the Vortech in a lease.

my .02$