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Performance Radiator or Oil cooler more important for FI

Old May 20, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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I've decided that I'm just gonna do both. Might as well, if im gonna fork out the money for FI whats an extra $500 for another cooling mod.
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:13 PM
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EvolutionGSR..

You wont need either.. believe me.. but if you're planning to track I'd suggest a bigger radiator.. brand doesnt matter since most of them are made by the same manufacture and perfromance levels are about the same.. remember its not about how thick the radiator is its about how much surface area you can cover (not that it doesnt matter, just one out weights the other). Go with one thats a direct bolt on or min modding. But dont be in any rush.. if you're doing a direct bolt on you can always do it down the line yourself as its sorta easy to do. But if your job involes pulling the motor then just fork up the $200-$400 ont he radiator since you can hide the labor with the install right now.

Oil Cooler, not needed.. oil pan spacer + extra quart is the cheapest way to go. but if you're set on one getting it now would be the best time since you can again hide the labor through your FI install =). its a rather PITA once you have your front mount in place and everythings together.

again just go by this concept =) and happy modding..

1. oil spacer for sure
2. radiator (if you plan to track then for sure)
3. oil cooler

in that order
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Klumzyee
EvolutionGSR..

You wont need either.. believe me.. but if you're planning to track I'd suggest a bigger radiator.. brand doesnt matter since most of them are made by the same manufacture and perfromance levels are about the same.. remember its not about how thick the radiator is its about how much surface area you can cover (not that it doesnt matter, just one out weights the other). Go with one thats a direct bolt on or min modding. But dont be in any rush.. if you're doing a direct bolt on you can always do it down the line yourself as its sorta easy to do. But if your job involes pulling the motor then just fork up the $200-$400 ont he radiator since you can hide the labor with the install right now.

Oil Cooler, not needed.. oil pan spacer + extra quart is the cheapest way to go. but if you're set on one getting it now would be the best time since you can again hide the labor through your FI install =). its a rather PITA once you have your front mount in place and everythings together.

again just go by this concept =) and happy modding..

1. oil spacer for sure
2. radiator (if you plan to track then for sure)
3. oil cooler

in that order
I would agree with Klumzee. But if u have the funds to go all out, then go 4 it bro
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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say what? You have installed a APS oil pan that allows for an extra qrt of oil, and you are only putting in 5 qrts of oil instead of 6? Y did you buy the oil pan in the first place?

An extra qrt of oil will help engine longevity and will help cool. An oil pan allows this. An oil cooler will help this more, and will usually add 1-1.5 qrts. of oil.
it only sounds good on paper, but the '6 qt' mentality is not all that healthy. over filling isn't uncommon and it's bad for the engine when it happens. I'm not against spacers and bigger pans, but not a priority over cooling, imo. Cooler engine bay and components = longevity of the car.

Originally Posted by EvolutionGSR
I've decided that I'm just gonna do both. Might as well, if im gonna fork out the money for FI whats an extra $500 for another cooling mod.
you made the right choice.. 'one of' my next mods is an oil cooler
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Wow lots of differing opinions.

In the end, I'm still going to just do it all. After posting this question here and on Z, I've come to the conclusion that I don't think any cooling and safety, no matter what my driving conditions, can be considered a waste. Not in my opinion anyway.

Its gonna be:

PWR radiator
Nismo Tstat
Some oil cooler, probably a B&M piece together
Oil pan...not a fan of the spacer...probably get a pan that doesn't put it any lower to the ground. I think i saw one somewhere.
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Deathmage
it only sounds good on paper, but the '6 qt' mentality is not all that healthy. over filling isn't uncommon and it's bad for the engine when it happens. I'm not against spacers and bigger pans, but not a priority over cooling, imo.

I've never overfilled my engine. But back to my point, why did you waste your money on buying a $500 upgraded oil pan, if you are not utilizing it?
 

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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolutionGSR
Wow lots of differing opinions.

In the end, I'm still going to just do it all. After posting this question here and on Z, I've come to the conclusion that I don't think any cooling and safety, no matter what my driving conditions, can be considered a waste. Not in my opinion anyway.

Its gonna be:

PWR radiator
Nismo Tstat
Some oil cooler, probably a B&M piece together
Oil pan...not a fan of the spacer...probably get a pan that doesn't put it any lower to the ground. I think i saw one somewhere.
sounds good. Sam recommends the PWR? Are you going to get the GTM fans as well? For the oil pan, I have the ARC and would recommend that, but the APS is a quality piece too. The only problem with the pans is that the drain plug can get stripped b/c its aluminum. A fumato piece will alleviate that danger, however, and there are fixes if this happens.

Anyways, sounds like you'll have a quality build!
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
sounds good. Sam recommends the PWR? Are you going to get the GTM fans as well? For the oil pan, I have the ARC and would recommend that, but the APS is a quality piece too. The only problem with the pans is that the drain plug can get stripped b/c its aluminum. A fumato piece will alleviate that danger, however, and there are fixes if this happens.

Anyways, sounds like you'll have a quality build!
Not sure about the fans. He said it would fit with OEM fans. I'll upgrade the fans if I feel I need them. With just the out of the box HKS kit and the radiator and oil cooler, I"m sure I'll be fine there.

I'm just kinda excited that I'm finally working again and can save up the money to finally do this. I can't stop asking about things and talking about things. It makes me afraid I'm out to dissappoint myself if anything falls through haha.
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
I've never overfilled my engine. But back to my point, why did you waste your money on buying a $500 upgraded oil pan, if you are not utilizing it?
how is it a waste of money? it's utilized as a cooling component.

also
oil pan>oil spacers
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Deathmage
how is it a waste of money? it's utilized as a cooling component.

also
oil pan>oil spacers
Umm, the whole point of an upgraded oil pan/spacer is to add a qrt of oil, which helps redue engine temps and wear. You have a APS pan, but are not filling with 6 qrst of oil. That's a waste of money imo. you think the pan's fins are really helping to cool withouth the extra qrt of oil?
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Umm, the whole point of an upgraded oil pan/spacer is to add a qrt of oil, which helps redue engine temps and wear. You have a APS pan, but are not filling with 6 qrst of oil. That's a waste of money imo. you think the pan's fins are really helping to cool withouth the extra qrt of oil?
don't be so naive and do some reading.
http://airpowersystems.com/350z/sump/sump.htm

capacity of this pan for the z isn't all that praise worthy.
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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hmmm that pan looks significantly lower than the OEM pan. Does anyone know of a pan that doesn't go too much lower than the factory pan?
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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don't be so naive and do some reading.
http://airpowersystems.com/350z/sump/sump.htm

capacity of this pan for the z isn't all that praise worthy.
"APS has developed the ultimate engine oil pan that not only improves engine oil supply to the pick-up, but also increases the engine oil capacity by a huge 1.25 quarts. This alone reduces oil temperature and helps to protect the Z engine."

But you aren't adding any extra oil are you? So you just bought the pan for the fins--the "pick up" mod can be done even with the stock pan. You aren't using the pan the way APS designed it to be used are you?
 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolutionGSR
hmmm that pan looks significantly lower than the OEM pan. Does anyone know of a pan that doesn't go too much lower than the factory pan?
ARC



 
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Old May 20, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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I hate you and all your ARC stuff.... Even though it is the answer to all my questions. So...how much was the ARC pan? And how much lower if any did it go as opposed to the OEM pan?
 
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