APS Kit... Daily Driver???
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APS Kit... Daily Driver???
Jimmy (paranormal) wants to buy the APS kit... however... he thinks his G will still be a daily driver.... he's never owned a turbocharged car... i tried to warn him... will everyone with a turbocharged G pleeeeeeeeeaaaaseeee tell him about the associated problems/issues.... help me out here, guys... i think he's going to regret it once he does it... there's no way he's going to be able to have it as his only car...
Last edited by Booooz; Aug 15, 2005 at 10:25 PM.
ive tried to explain to her that people that did have problems had the problems because of (half assing) there install or tune or not researching everything.. i fully believe that you can put f/i on a car and have it run smooth and keep the car as a daily driver.. f/i can be done right if you do your homework.. if it couldnt then we wouldnt have cars that come f/i stock from the manufactuar ie 1.8t golf/sti/evo ect. ect.......
come on guys back me up here
come on guys back me up here
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My intent is to go APS TT, no engine internal upgrades, stock kit, 91 octane map, stock cats, true dual exhaust. Yes I plan on having this as my daily driver.
Yes there are a lot of problems you can run into going FI. However I'd have to say every single blown engine I've heard of has been due to some tuning error or problems planning out the kit (insufficient fuel supply, etc...). APS is by far the most complete kit that I've seen out there and that's why I'm thinking about sinking $13k into this whole thing.
In the end it's really a matter of weighing what you hope to gain versus what can be lost. Personally I feel that it's worth it to me and I'm willing to live with something in the neighborhood of 360 whp while APS keeps tuning and improving their system. Now if the b/f is planning on going nutso on the power, then I'd have reservations about it being a daily driver.
What are your power goals?
Yes there are a lot of problems you can run into going FI. However I'd have to say every single blown engine I've heard of has been due to some tuning error or problems planning out the kit (insufficient fuel supply, etc...). APS is by far the most complete kit that I've seen out there and that's why I'm thinking about sinking $13k into this whole thing.
In the end it's really a matter of weighing what you hope to gain versus what can be lost. Personally I feel that it's worth it to me and I'm willing to live with something in the neighborhood of 360 whp while APS keeps tuning and improving their system. Now if the b/f is planning on going nutso on the power, then I'd have reservations about it being a daily driver.
What are your power goals?
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Im going with APS for my daily driver. Havent completely decided if Im going to upgrade internals yet, Im shooting for about 400-450. but Im honest enough to admit once I get 400, I'll want 450, then 500, ,etc, etc, so I'll probably beef up the bottom end. Worst case scenario I can always ride my motorcycle.
I think its funny you two have internet conversations like this- I imagine you guys sitting on the same couch with your own laptops typing away about a person sitting 3 feet from you.
I think its funny you two have internet conversations like this- I imagine you guys sitting on the same couch with your own laptops typing away about a person sitting 3 feet from you.
sorry kelly, but i'm with jimmy on this one... ~240rwhp just isn't gonna do it for me either LoL... if i had the $ i'd be all over the APS kit
i see no reason why an APS TT car cannot be a daily driver, provided it is set up correctly by a knowledgable and authorized APS tuner and you don't push for more boost. their kit seems to be one of the most complete on the market, and APS has taken more than a year longer than every other company to release their F/I offering. they took their time in testing everything and seem to be very focused on reliable power with no problems.
judging purely from his track record with the car so far, i'm sure he'd "do it up right" and build the bottom end also. with those safety precautions in place and if you don't tune the kit more agressively than APS intended, the car should run fine day after day.
is 93 octane available down in DE? if so, maybe he could run the 91 octane tuning map from APS and put in 93 when he fills up just to be even safer and prevent detonation
then, maybe some time in the future when this car moves out of the "daily driver" role, he could start to get alittle more agressive with it
i see no reason why an APS TT car cannot be a daily driver, provided it is set up correctly by a knowledgable and authorized APS tuner and you don't push for more boost. their kit seems to be one of the most complete on the market, and APS has taken more than a year longer than every other company to release their F/I offering. they took their time in testing everything and seem to be very focused on reliable power with no problems.
judging purely from his track record with the car so far, i'm sure he'd "do it up right" and build the bottom end also. with those safety precautions in place and if you don't tune the kit more agressively than APS intended, the car should run fine day after day.
is 93 octane available down in DE? if so, maybe he could run the 91 octane tuning map from APS and put in 93 when he fills up just to be even safer and prevent detonation
then, maybe some time in the future when this car moves out of the "daily driver" role, he could start to get alittle more agressive with it
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I'd suggest going with the JWT twin turbo kit for a daily driver. It's going to be street legal as well. It will also allow for a sleeper look, letting you keep the stock bumper, or the nismo bumper. If you can wait, you are better off waiting to see how that kit turns out.
If not, I know a couple of people that use the APS kit as their daily driver. If you are worried about a proper tuner/installer, there is an authorized APS tuner not too far from you in central NJ. MRC Motorsport in Spotswood, NJ. They are organizing the Nissan/Infiniti Raceway park event coming up. You'll be able to see several of their kits in action on the track and it will give you an opportunity to talk shop with them face to face, so they can recommend a setup specific for your needs/concerns.
If not, I know a couple of people that use the APS kit as their daily driver. If you are worried about a proper tuner/installer, there is an authorized APS tuner not too far from you in central NJ. MRC Motorsport in Spotswood, NJ. They are organizing the Nissan/Infiniti Raceway park event coming up. You'll be able to see several of their kits in action on the track and it will give you an opportunity to talk shop with them face to face, so they can recommend a setup specific for your needs/concerns.
Haha..you guys already fighting over something?
ok...when you want to go FI,3 things first:
1)search search search read read read and study.try to understand what you get into before you make final decission.don't just save up some $$$ then do it base on someone else saying.do not buy a turbo kit because this guy say so or because many guys said it good.make that decission yourself.
2)how much power do you want? set your goal because in the FI world,anything possible.you can take a 4 cylinder Civic or any car for that matter and pact 1000+hp into it.all depend on how much can you spend.
3)set your limit of how much you can afford.this game is very exspensive to play.roughly about 8-10k for supercharger and 8-13k for turbocharger set up.and that's good for somewhere 350-420whp.if you look for more than that,you have to upgrade internals like pistons,rods,studs,gaskets ect..that would bring you up to about 480-560whp but also jacks the cost up to just under 20k.now you talking about 600+hp.that my friend will put you WELL over 20k.because you basicly have to change just about everything in the car.now you need to drivetrain,heads like valves,springs,transmision,clutch,fuel system blah blah blah..
maintain.spark plugs are ranging from 8-12 bucks a piece x 6 + labor.synthetic oil $5.29/qt x 6 ect..ect..and they need to be change often.
all that being said WITHOUT any major problems which can very well happen.there's alway a risk factor involve.i don't care which kit you get,there will be some little issues to deal with.nothing is perfect.APS KIT IS INCLUDED.
PROS:
-you'll gain HPs and all the exciting feeling you get during built up/waiting time.it'll fade away once you're there
CONS:
-have to spent a **** load of money.could be more if something goes wrong.
-void your warranties.big time
-give up all the perfectness of stock car.smooth idles,smell nice,gas milages and so on.
-increase the risk of accident.believe me,you're not packing all those horsies just to park in garage or for sunday joy ride.
-don't know about there but here in socal cab issue is a big deal.along with other things the car consider outlaw.
Jimmy..i have to go with Kel on this.look like you're going all out like a mad man,like me
i remember i thought getting a set of new wheels will enhance the look of the car.which it did.then with all the gap inside the wheels if i get a big brake kit that will fill up nice,which i did.then the body kit would be nice to goes along with wheels & brakes.on and on very soon i'm getting just about everything and spent way more than i surpose to.i'm not saying that you can't do what i did.all i saying is there is a hair differrent between what you WANT and what you NEED.if i'm in your shoes,i would spend the money on somthing else like buy a house.look like Boo is the one to keep so start thinking about future.you know?wedding,place to live together,little Jimmy...
Kel he's right.it CAN be a everyday driver as long as he's not going to the extreme.and he's also right on the tuning.doesn't matter which kit,it has to be done right by a experience tech.my car IS a daily driver.i'm driving the crap out of it right now trying to reach 1000mile break-in.but because of being in socal with premium gas price,pot holes,speed bumps,rock chips,flood,door ding from shoppin cart,plus all those things i put in the car,it kinda waste to drive to work,park there to collect dust,bird poops and heat.so i did get a pick up truck last weekend.will drive my G for fun only.
so i think the best solution is to let him get the twinturbo but stay around 400hp that way you guys don't have to go with internals.you can make him swear here on the board and all of us will be the witnesses hehe..believe me 400 is A LOT of power.right before i took my car in for engine swap,i ran 380 and man that thing haul a$$.
D@mn,my boss paying me money to work for him and i'm sitting here typing all this LOL........ok back to work
ok...when you want to go FI,3 things first:
1)search search search read read read and study.try to understand what you get into before you make final decission.don't just save up some $$$ then do it base on someone else saying.do not buy a turbo kit because this guy say so or because many guys said it good.make that decission yourself.
2)how much power do you want? set your goal because in the FI world,anything possible.you can take a 4 cylinder Civic or any car for that matter and pact 1000+hp into it.all depend on how much can you spend.
3)set your limit of how much you can afford.this game is very exspensive to play.roughly about 8-10k for supercharger and 8-13k for turbocharger set up.and that's good for somewhere 350-420whp.if you look for more than that,you have to upgrade internals like pistons,rods,studs,gaskets ect..that would bring you up to about 480-560whp but also jacks the cost up to just under 20k.now you talking about 600+hp.that my friend will put you WELL over 20k.because you basicly have to change just about everything in the car.now you need to drivetrain,heads like valves,springs,transmision,clutch,fuel system blah blah blah..
maintain.spark plugs are ranging from 8-12 bucks a piece x 6 + labor.synthetic oil $5.29/qt x 6 ect..ect..and they need to be change often.
all that being said WITHOUT any major problems which can very well happen.there's alway a risk factor involve.i don't care which kit you get,there will be some little issues to deal with.nothing is perfect.APS KIT IS INCLUDED.
PROS:
-you'll gain HPs and all the exciting feeling you get during built up/waiting time.it'll fade away once you're there
CONS:
-have to spent a **** load of money.could be more if something goes wrong.
-void your warranties.big time
-give up all the perfectness of stock car.smooth idles,smell nice,gas milages and so on.
-increase the risk of accident.believe me,you're not packing all those horsies just to park in garage or for sunday joy ride.
-don't know about there but here in socal cab issue is a big deal.along with other things the car consider outlaw.
Jimmy..i have to go with Kel on this.look like you're going all out like a mad man,like me
i remember i thought getting a set of new wheels will enhance the look of the car.which it did.then with all the gap inside the wheels if i get a big brake kit that will fill up nice,which i did.then the body kit would be nice to goes along with wheels & brakes.on and on very soon i'm getting just about everything and spent way more than i surpose to.i'm not saying that you can't do what i did.all i saying is there is a hair differrent between what you WANT and what you NEED.if i'm in your shoes,i would spend the money on somthing else like buy a house.look like Boo is the one to keep so start thinking about future.you know?wedding,place to live together,little Jimmy...Kel he's right.it CAN be a everyday driver as long as he's not going to the extreme.and he's also right on the tuning.doesn't matter which kit,it has to be done right by a experience tech.my car IS a daily driver.i'm driving the crap out of it right now trying to reach 1000mile break-in.but because of being in socal with premium gas price,pot holes,speed bumps,rock chips,flood,door ding from shoppin cart,plus all those things i put in the car,it kinda waste to drive to work,park there to collect dust,bird poops and heat.so i did get a pick up truck last weekend.will drive my G for fun only.
so i think the best solution is to let him get the twinturbo but stay around 400hp that way you guys don't have to go with internals.you can make him swear here on the board and all of us will be the witnesses hehe..believe me 400 is A LOT of power.right before i took my car in for engine swap,i ran 380 and man that thing haul a$$.
D@mn,my boss paying me money to work for him and i'm sitting here typing all this LOL........ok back to work
