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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:29 AM
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Questions about the Vortech

I was recently sent this PM and I thought I'd share the questions and answers with everyone...I hope TurboMaxima doesn't mind...it's just, he's asking a lot of questions I receive via PM all the time and I thought others could benefit from the thread...

Originally Posted by turbomaxima
Talk me out of buying a damn vortech blower.

Here is my dilemma:

There are no reputable tuners within a couple hundred miles, so the car would have to be trailered somewhere once the kit is installed. I am fairly confident I can install the kit, I built a turbo setup for my last car with a couple friends from the ground up; yeah we had a general idea of what to do, but it was all custom. I want to make sure I get every part (belts, bolts etc) that people have ever had issues with and make sure I don't have issues.

I have had my car for a year and it just hit 5000 miles. I drive the car a couple of times a week, but I really don't take it on long trips. I am not the type of person that beats on the car, but I also am over wrenching on a car every weekend. I understand going FI requires a little care and a little maintenance, but if the vortech needs constant coddling let me know.

I hope you don't mind taking me back and forth on this, I just want to make the smartest decision in my position. I am not a boost junky, so if the Vortech produces healthy numbers out of the box, I will be more than happy.

Lastly, where do you live? Want to come and install the vortech with me..? haha.

Thanks for all the help man, I appreciate it in advance.

-jason
There are no reputable tuners within a couple hundred miles, so the car would have to be trailered somewhere once the kit is installed. Why? The Vortech out of the box is completely safe...in fact, too safe. You'll be fine driving it to a tuner to have a little timing pulled where it's too rich.

I want to make sure I get every part (belts, bolts etc) that people have ever had issues with and make sure I don't have issues. The ONLY issue that any Vortech owner that I know of has ever had is with the main serp belt that comes with the kit. It tends to stretch and cause belt slippage and high pitch squealing if loose first thing in the morning or any time it's had the opp to collect dew in the engine bay. The solution is an exact size replacement from GATES. You can find the belt you need at pretty much any hardware store...or, GATES' website gives you a listing of local dealers by you.

I am not the type of person that beats on the car,...well I am...I have around 28,000 miles on my car, 11,000 of which were boosted and I've had NO problems (other than the initial belt prob)...my car has been to the road tracks (speeds up to 140mph on straight aways) and has been down the 1/4 mile track at least 150 times (average 10 time per visit, 15 visits to various drag strips in Cali and Texas)

I understand going FI requires a little care and a little maintenance, but if the vortech needs constant coddling let me know. It doesn't require any more maintenance than an NA G. Change the oil every 3,000 (I use Mobil 1 10/40 Syn) and that's it. After you install the GATES replacement, you'll do the initial install, wait 2 weeks and then retighten...that's it.

Lastly, where do you live? Want to come and install the vortech with me..? haha. I live in Glen Rose, Texas. A little far. Nothing would make me happier then to drive to your place and help you with the install (trust me)...I absolutely LOVE wrenching on this car and so far my only wrenching buddy is my 4 yr old son, Christian.

Talk me out of buying a damn vortech blower. I will do nothing of the sort...IMHO, the Vortech SC is THE best bang for the FI buck. Safety, power and an awesome jet-like BOV that is unique and def turns heads.
 

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 10:48 AM
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Damn you Randys_G, reading a post like certainly makes me want to jump over to the FI side of life. This post may have costed me a lot of money my friend

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...decisions decisions
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Damn you Randys_G, reading a post like certainly makes me want to jump over to the FI side of life. This post may have costed me a lot of money my friend

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...decisions decisions
Glad I could be of service!
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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well at least you didn't post this in the general section so i don't feel like a complete idiot.

if i bought a plane ticket, would you come out and help me install? nothing like having someone help you install something that they have already perfected.

might as well keep the questions coming:

What gauges do you use with your kit if any, and does the SC require the same warm-up and cool-down time as a turbo setup?
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by turbomaxima
well at least you didn't post this in the general section so i don't feel like a complete idiot.

if i bought a plane ticket, would you come out and help me install? nothing like having someone help you install something that they have already perfected.

might as well keep the questions coming:

What gauges do you use with your kit if any, and does the SC require the same warm-up and cool-down time as a turbo setup?
Love this sig. for 30 bucks you also got your name in BOLD and the cute little gold member tag!
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 11:57 AM
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Love this sig. for 30 bucks you also got your name in BOLD and the cute little gold member tag!
you are so correct! updating it now..
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:04 PM
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Turbo...

Why not let Lokey Infiniti do your install? They know their stuff and have done 2 already. They'll be doing mine, g8tor20's and probably others...

Don't forget that you get a free loaner car (G sedan) and Coastal Dyno is only a 30 minute drive from Lokey. They know the R4 S/W very well and have a mustang dyno to do the tuning on.
 

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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by turbomaxima
well at least you didn't post this in the general section so i don't feel like a complete idiot.

if i bought a plane ticket, would you come out and help me install? nothing like having someone help you install something that they have already perfected.

might as well keep the questions coming:

What gauges do you use with your kit if any, and does the SC require the same warm-up and cool-down time as a turbo setup?
I hope I didn't offend you. I didn't think your questions were novice. I think they were questions that only a person who's owned the system could answer. As far as the plane ticket...it's not the money, it's having the time. I run my own biz from home and on top of that, I'm a Volunteer Fire Fighter and am on call 2 or 3 times a week. It's a fairly simple install that will take around 8-10 hours, more-than-likely. If I knew as much about the system when I bought it as I do know, i would have definitely installed mine on my own. The hardest part is the wiring of the SS box. But these days, you can get around that with a wiring harness that they came up with after mine was installed. G352NV could tell you more about that. Regarding cooldown/warm up...the only thing you'll want to do is many sure the car is fully warmed up before driving it. It's a good idea to get the oil at a good operating temp cause your SC is sharing that oil for cooling and you don't want to screw your bearings up...other than that...no cool down period at all. I don't have ANY gauges. Once the car is tuned, nothings really going to change...and even if something drastic happened, no gauge can tell you quick enough to react. I think the most functional gauges would be...fuel pressure (you don't want to lean out), oil pressure (cuz you're tapping the oil pan for oil and if that leaks (which mine never has...but if it does) you'll want to know. Things like BOOST and EGT are not nec in my opinion. A/F is also nice, but if you lean out all of a sudden, you're probably going to detonate the motor before anything can be comprehended. But, with that said, I feel that this kit is safe enough to run it without any gauges at all and I've proved that theory for the last 11,000 miles.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by neffster
Turbo...

Why not let Lokey Infiniti do your install? They know their stuff and have done 2 already. They'll be doing mine, g8tor20's and probably others...

Don't forget that you get a free rental car and Coastal Dyno is only a 30 minute drive from Lokey. They know the R4 S/W very well and have a mustang dyno to do the tuning on.
Sounds like a good deal if you don't want to deal with it on your own. Do you warranty their work?
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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oh, and to add to that...don't expect to see real high numbers on a Mustang dyno.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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Yes Lokey Infiniti warranties their work and I'm only using the Mustang Dyno to get the A/F dead on. I figure if they can get Gspot35's car tuned as well as they did, they can do a good job for "us" too.
 
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Originally Posted by neffster
Turbo...

Why not let Lokey Infiniti do your install? They know their stuff and have done 2 already. They'll be doing mine, g8tor20's and probably others...

Don't forget that you get a free loaner car (G sedan) and Coastal Dyno is only a 30 minute drive from Lokey. They know the R4 S/W very well and have a mustang dyno to do the tuning on.
What kind of price are they talking about for install? I am not big on letting other people work on my car, so it would definitely have to be well worth the trip down (although I would probably trailer the car there).

And it doesn't seem any tuning is needed, or should it be done? I could care less about dyno numbers, but I guess it is a sure-fire way to find out if everything is working.
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I hope I didn't offend you. I didn't think your questions were novice. I think they were questions that only a person who's owned the system could answer. As far as the plane ticket...it's not the money, it's having the time. I run my own biz from home and on top of that, I'm a Volunteer Fire Fighter and am on call 2 or 3 times a week. It's a fairly simple install that will take around 8-10 hours, more-than-likely. If I knew as much about the system when I bought it as I do know, i would have definitely installed mine on my own. The hardest part is the wiring of the SS box. But these days, you can get around that with a wiring harness that they came up with after mine was installed. G352NV could tell you more about that. Regarding cooldown/warm up...the only thing you'll want to do is many sure the car is fully warmed up before driving it. It's a good idea to get the oil at a good operating temp cause your SC is sharing that oil for cooling and you don't want to screw your bearings up...other than that...no cool down period at all. I don't have ANY gauges. Once the car is tuned, nothings really going to change...and even if something drastic happened, no gauge can tell you quick enough to react. I think the most functional gauges would be...fuel pressure (you don't want to lean out), oil pressure (cuz you're tapping the oil pan for oil and if that leaks (which mine never has...but if it does) you'll want to know. Things like BOOST and EGT are not nec in my opinion. A/F is also nice, but if you lean out all of a sudden, you're probably going to detonate the motor before anything can be comprehended. But, with that said, I feel that this kit is safe enough to run it without any gauges at all and I've proved that theory for the last 11,000 miles.
no offense taken whatsoever, i was just giving you a hard time. i thought you did install the kit yourself... i am torn whether to do it myself or take it to someone; it is a trek for me to take it anywhere no matter what. Plug and play harnesses would definitely be nice.

i don't really need the gauges, although it seems a bit safer especially as far as OIL pressure and FUEL pressure go. The boost gauge will be completely for looks. I had boost/fuel pressure on my last car, and those working just fine for me. Fuel pressure saved me a few times when I was too low on gas... but I doubt that would be an issue on this car.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Yes Lokey Infiniti warranties their work and I'm only using the Mustang Dyno to get the A/F dead on. I figure if they can get Gspot35's car tuned as well as they did, they can do a good job for "us" too.
mustangs are for tuning, dynojets are for bragging.
 
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There are no reputable tuners within a couple hundred miles, so the car would have to be trailered somewhere once the kit is installed. Why? The Vortech out of the box is completely safe...in fact, too safe. You'll be fine driving it to a tuner to have a little timing pulled where it's too rich


Randy...this statement may have not been your intent . Pulling timing where the car is running rich ? Did you mean ...pull fuel ? Vortech already has a ton of timing pulled out of the box....to much ...10 degree's after 6500rpm's I think

As far as gauges...I wouldnt run a F/I set up with out a A/F and Boost gauge .
With an A/F and Boost gauge ...you can easilly see when your belt is slipping up top in the rpm range . Boost will be low and A/F will drop. If you live in an area of the US where it gets cold...boost will be higher in the winter and your A/F will lean out some .
 
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Just to let you guys know, theres a good how to on the Vortech this month in super street.
 
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