Stillen vs Vortech. Pro's and Con's
#17
03-21-2006, 04:32 PM
urban i agree....the g is a tough car to get 12s in (esp since most of us wanna run 12s w/ our Maya 20'' wheels and subs/amps in the trunk)...w/ almost any S/C setup. I am torn myself between vortech and stillen...stillen the hood is what gets me....
vortech the maintenance is something I dont want to hassle with, I also like the stillen FMIC...IMHO I think the vortech FMIC could be a bit longer horizontally....maybe swap it w/ a R34 FMIC core...hehe
I like the fact BOTH are good setup's out of the box....stillen has the warranty for stage 2 which is good. vortech has alot of owner's who have been successful w/ the setup....and vortech has room for improvement..
its a tough call...
vortech the maintenance is something I dont want to hassle with, I also like the stillen FMIC...IMHO I think the vortech FMIC could be a bit longer horizontally....maybe swap it w/ a R34 FMIC core...hehe
I like the fact BOTH are good setup's out of the box....stillen has the warranty for stage 2 which is good. vortech has alot of owner's who have been successful w/ the setup....and vortech has room for improvement..
its a tough call...
Last edited by pdjafari; 03-21-2006 at 04:36 PM.
#18
03-21-2006, 04:39 PM
I agree, read this thread on the 350z forums as they seem to be ahead of the pack compared to this board when mods are concerned.
You will learn a lot plus check out the larger FMIC which I have but not installed yet.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176943
You will learn a lot plus check out the larger FMIC which I have but not installed yet.
http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176943
#21
03-21-2006, 04:46 PM
#23
03-21-2006, 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Skyline_G35
"Why" is a great question.
I am not into breaking the law but I do run my car hard daily. On average I usually drive 50/50 for city/highway. I do my occasional race at the light but I know that if I was to have a FI then I would be down at the 1/4 strip. I want (no flaming) to be able to beat the majority of the cars out on the road like the Sti, Evo, SRT-4 etc.
This is my honest feelings, and I don't condone racing on the roads, but occasionally I do like those bragging rights of spanking some of the cars out on the road.
I am not into breaking the law but I do run my car hard daily. On average I usually drive 50/50 for city/highway. I do my occasional race at the light but I know that if I was to have a FI then I would be down at the 1/4 strip. I want (no flaming) to be able to beat the majority of the cars out on the road like the Sti, Evo, SRT-4 etc.
This is my honest feelings, and I don't condone racing on the roads, but occasionally I do like those bragging rights of spanking some of the cars out on the road.
There's a guy in my350z.com with Stillen stage4 who spanks on new Carerra S, evo & STi
#24
03-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by ballisticus
I was in the same boat but have decided upon the Stillen. The Vortech does have more PEAK power, but its the average power throughout the entire powerband that wins races. Plus the Stillen twin-screw is a quieter and more efficient compressor. The only disadvantage I see with the Stillen is the hood, but its not that big of a deal really.
#25
03-21-2006, 07:12 PM
You can run the vortech out of the box but it runs super rich. It is basically comparable to a base map for the AEM EMS in the sense that it will run; but it is not tuned at an optimal configuration. The Stillen unit comes pre-tuned to run optimally for the vehicle. I noticed in the videos and from what I have heard; the Vortech units (even the SQ) make this loud noise at idle; sounds almost like metal on metal. I'm not too fond of the hood change needed for the Stillen but I like everything else about their kit. pulls hard from any RPM as soon as you floor it. There have been confirmed reports on motors going out w/ Vortechs but that probably comes down to the fact that the tuning wasn't the best. I have not heard of anyone damaging their motor w/ a Stillen.
Originally Posted by Skyline_G35
Urban,
The vortech is plug and play in stock form as well?
That you know, has there been any motor failures due to the Vortech?
I do have the Stillen true dual exhaust on my sedan, so does that effect the plug and play of the vortech? What is the horsepower setting in stock form for the Vortech?
The vortech is plug and play in stock form as well?
That you know, has there been any motor failures due to the Vortech?
I do have the Stillen true dual exhaust on my sedan, so does that effect the plug and play of the vortech? What is the horsepower setting in stock form for the Vortech?
#26
03-21-2006, 07:16 PM
If you compare out of the box kits , side by side .
Stillen...OUT OF THE BOX
Stillen does have better trq. down low
only makes tops 300whp
Has belt problems just as Vortech does
have to spend money on a hood...if you like it or not
untuneable
upgrades [pulleys ] dont show huge improvements
Very loud whine when at WOT
Vortech..OUT OF THE BOX
Lower trq.
Makes 320 to 360 whp
belts need to be tightened every so often
tuneable for more whp
can make a gurggle sound at idle [ gears ]
upgrades [ pulleys ] can make much more whp and trq.
whistle [ BOV ] at idle and cruise
Blown motors are not the result of a bad kit
its the result of a bad tune and the Vortech's that have gone south are from piston ringlands breaking off , not bent rods and holes in the motor
Stillen...OUT OF THE BOX
Stillen does have better trq. down low
only makes tops 300whp
Has belt problems just as Vortech does
have to spend money on a hood...if you like it or not
untuneable
upgrades [pulleys ] dont show huge improvements
Very loud whine when at WOT
Vortech..OUT OF THE BOX
Lower trq.
Makes 320 to 360 whp
belts need to be tightened every so often
tuneable for more whp
can make a gurggle sound at idle [ gears ]
upgrades [ pulleys ] can make much more whp and trq.
whistle [ BOV ] at idle and cruise
Blown motors are not the result of a bad kit
its the result of a bad tune and the Vortech's that have gone south are from piston ringlands breaking off , not bent rods and holes in the motor
Last edited by booger; 03-21-2006 at 07:20 PM.
#27
03-21-2006, 07:23 PM
I agree w/ almost everything you stated; just made some changes on the Stillen side regarding belts and tuning.
Originally Posted by booger
If you compare out of the box kits , side by side .
Stillen...OUT OF THE BOX
Stillen does have better trq. down low
only makes tops 300whp
Belts need to be tightened down every so often
have to spend money on a hood...if you like it or not
untuneable ( tuned for max performance while being reliable)
upgrades [pulleys ] dont show huge improvements
Vortech..OUT OF THE BOX
Lower trq.
Makes 320 to 360 whp
belts need to be tightened every so often
tuneable for more whp
can make a gurggle sound at idle [ gears ]
upgrades [ pulleys ] can make much more whp and trq.
Blown motors are not the result of a bad kit
its the result of a bad tune and the Vortech's that have gone south are from piston ringlands breaking off , not bent rods and holes in the motor
Stillen...OUT OF THE BOX
Stillen does have better trq. down low
only makes tops 300whp
Belts need to be tightened down every so often
have to spend money on a hood...if you like it or not
untuneable ( tuned for max performance while being reliable)
upgrades [pulleys ] dont show huge improvements
Vortech..OUT OF THE BOX
Lower trq.
Makes 320 to 360 whp
belts need to be tightened every so often
tuneable for more whp
can make a gurggle sound at idle [ gears ]
upgrades [ pulleys ] can make much more whp and trq.
Blown motors are not the result of a bad kit
its the result of a bad tune and the Vortech's that have gone south are from piston ringlands breaking off , not bent rods and holes in the motor
#28
03-21-2006, 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by goodbye evo8
I agree w/ almost everything you stated; just made some changes on the Stillen side regarding belts and tuning.
Stillen has a basic tune as does Vortech
Neither are tuned for the car its going on . And you CAN NOT get max performance out of it unless its tuned to the car its on . Stillen can run thier tune at a higher A/F and less timing retard because it makes less boost . So , both have to be tuned at a cookie cutter tune to make every one that buys the kit run safe
#29
03-21-2006, 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by booger
I'll have to disagree with the tuning part
Stillen has a basic tune as does Vortech
Neither are tuned for the car its going on . And you CAN NOT get max performance out of it unless its tuned to the car its on . Stillen can run thier tune at a higher A/F and less timing retard because it makes less boost . So , both have to be tuned at a cookie cutter tune to make every one that buys the kit run safe
Stillen has a basic tune as does Vortech
Neither are tuned for the car its going on . And you CAN NOT get max performance out of it unless its tuned to the car its on . Stillen can run thier tune at a higher A/F and less timing retard because it makes less boost . So , both have to be tuned at a cookie cutter tune to make every one that buys the kit run safe
#30
03-21-2006, 08:02 PM