Nissan, Infiniti would dyno each car as they came off the production line. (This is kinda like what Rockford Fosgate used to do with their amps. No two amps were ever the same.) Nissan would use a dyno that would measure RWHP. Then they would stick a printout of the graph of each individual car in that car. This would end all squabble on who has what for horsepower and also let us know who has inaccurate measuring tools when we go to their dyno shop to see gains on our individual cars.

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I used to work at Honda assembly plant and every car off the line did get dynoed, its just that they didn't stick any printout in the car.

I am assuming all car companies dyno the cars right off the line.

 

Well, I know that they test each motor to make sure that it is working, but isn't that out of the car?? and wouldn't that make it BHP or crank hp? They need to put a print out in each car.

 

This would cause alot of pricing issues, I assume.

 

^^^ Care to elaborate???

 

duh people wouldnt want to pay the same price for a car which has 5 less hp than the same exact car next to it with more hp. and people who don't understand cars would ask why some engines have slightly higher outputs than others and just give dealers more headaches... just dyno it yourself. they would probably lie anyway.

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I asked him to elaborate on HIS statement. I wanted to see where he was coming from. I think that if every car manufacturer produced these #'s, I honestly don't see them having an issue at all. If the car didn't produce it's claimed horsepower, then they would know if something was not correct either with the engine or drivetrain and I doubt they would release it, but maybe I'm wrong. I asked if people would be willing to participate in a discussion, not for you to decide when discussion of a thread is over. I have had my car dyno'd. Rockford Fosgate didn't have any issues doing it, why would a car manufacturer?


end of thread? I don't think so.

 

i agree with 06blackmt here... ppl care more about a few horses here and there than slight variations in the performance of their audio equipment. that's why people spend $500 for 8whp...

 

Well, if people care more about a few horses, then wouldn't this be in their best interest???

 

i think its fair for the consumers to know, since we are not getting the hp we were told

 

i think it would be best for the consumer.. however, notice how i said for the consumer. if 1 production car had 298hp and the one next to it had 296hp.. and so on in the lot of say one dealer. that 1 car has less probability of being purchased due to the lack of that 2hp. therefore putting corporate infiniti in an attempt of a loss of all the people wanting the 298's instead of the 296's? it could possibly effect corporate more than it would the consumer. or maybe i just wanna talk jibberish and nothing made sense

 

Well obviously the cars are not going to all come out with the same horse power, causing multiple variations in numbers. This would be a headache for the dealer, because they would have people bichin left and right becaue of a difference of a couple horses in power and then the dealer would have to put some kind of variations in the price, because it wouldnt really make sense to sell two products with "different" performance numbers for the same price. It might be more informitive for us buyers, but it just wouldn't be practical for the dealer/manufacturer.

 

But who cares about the dealer. I for one sure don't. Last time I checked, every car on the lot seems to have a different price anyways, due to different options. I don't think most people would even notice the price difference vs the option packages vs the RWHP. Does that make sense???

 

Are you asking for realistic response, or similarly wishful thinking?

Realistic response:
Mass producing, non-specialist mfg's will not say or provide any information that may or may not cause possibly a large group of customers to prefer certain cars over another, therefore, causing a significant number of the cars being not desireable (without appropriate pricing difference). Providing information that would blatantly cause people to dislike a population of the product (say... the HP rating on a performance oriented car?) would be financially "upsetting" for that company. Especially if the product is underperforming like I suspect our cars are.

Wishful thinking:
It would be wonderful if companies would just tell us when certain parts are due to fail and how often they fail prematurely (based on their already collected data on reliability of critical parts), how much it REALLY costs them to make a product, and true performance figures of their products. Then, we as consumers, would be more knowledgeable and could buy the products that perform higher than others, last longer, and we don't get too ripped off.


Yeah, you don't care about the dealerships, or the companies for that matter, but they don't care about you or me either. I think that's the one that really answers the question you posed.

 

uhhhhh....the corporation maybe? The cars sell themselves already, why would they add that burden to themselves and the dealer? You won't feel the differences in HP anyway if they only vary by 5 HP, so why force your car to sell for less when it is not really less?