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- The water is free, but it takes lots of electricity to break it into hydrogen and oxygen. They always seem to forget about things like this.
- It produces a ridiculously small amount of hydrogen. Remember, this is a gas, and it has to travel through that small tube?
- "Reported" gas mileage means nothing. Independently tested is the only thing that matters.
- You'd do better to insert a tube into a certain part of your body and run it into the intake tube to burn methane.
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LOLL, I guess this is a good start to making real hydrogen powered cars. If only hydrogen was widely available 
... Eventually, some time in the future, people will be able to run their cars and other things on a few liters of water. Scientists are studying it and have accomplished alot with fuel cell cars, but are nowhere near discovering the technology needed to do this. If they can figure out an effective way to seperate H atoms from O, in H2O, energy would be almost unlimited and about 80+% efficient. They have been trying to use the same process that plants use. (I got this info from some science article). But yea, until this technology works, we can use diesel-hybrid cars, which get about 65+mpg lol.
PS. might of as well hook up a bottle of propane to your intake, lol see what that does to your performance. Someone want to try it out? This might be an inexpensive alternative to NOS LOLLLL
... Eventually, some time in the future, people will be able to run their cars and other things on a few liters of water. Scientists are studying it and have accomplished alot with fuel cell cars, but are nowhere near discovering the technology needed to do this. If they can figure out an effective way to seperate H atoms from O, in H2O, energy would be almost unlimited and about 80+% efficient. They have been trying to use the same process that plants use. (I got this info from some science article). But yea, until this technology works, we can use diesel-hybrid cars, which get about 65+mpg lol.PS. might of as well hook up a bottle of propane to your intake, lol see what that does to your performance. Someone want to try it out? This might be an inexpensive alternative to NOS LOLLLL
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Last night "MythBusters" busted the myth of home made hydrogen generator
it does not produce enought gas to be useful
When they pushed hydrogen straight from the "bottle" into the intake, the tested car ran fine
It's too slow and too expensive method to "do it at home"
In Europe, many taxis ran on propane which is much cheaper there than gasoline. Not economical in US yet.
it does not produce enought gas to be useful
When they pushed hydrogen straight from the "bottle" into the intake, the tested car ran fine
It's too slow and too expensive method to "do it at home"
In Europe, many taxis ran on propane which is much cheaper there than gasoline. Not economical in US yet.
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Alright guys, let's set this straight.
Hydrogen is not and will never be a viable fuel source. The reason is simple, where do you get it? There are a few ways to get H2 but the most common at by electrolyzing water (what that POS does) or reforming fossil fuels.
When you electrolyze water it is a 1:1 reaction. That is, the amount of energy you put into the process (in the form of electricity) is equal to the amount you would get out in a perfect reaction. I'll put it another way. Say you have an electrolyzer hooked up to a 100% efficient fuel cell. The water produced by the fuel cell circulates to the electolyzer and is separated into H2 and O2. These are then reacted in the fuel cell to form water. This setup is a completly closed system and neither produces nor requires energy.
From this you can see that the best Hydrogen obtained from water will be is a battery. Since fuel cells are not 100% efficient we are actually wasting energy doing this. (i.e. you would lose 20% of the energy from the electricity used in the electrolyzer). You also have the problem of where to get the electricity to run the electrolyzer.
The other option is the reformation of fossil fuels. We are trying to stop relying on these. Also, the reformation process produces pollutants; not a very viable option either.
Even if we wanted to use Hydrogen as a battery system (i.e. centralized H2 production centers and distribution) you still have the problem of how to store it. H2 is gas form takes up a great deal of space. You can compress it but who wants to have a tank filled with an explosive gas at 3000+ psi in the back of their car (not me). You could liquify it but H2 boils at -423 F (pretty damn close to absolute zero). The energy required to cool the H2 to this temperature alone would kill that idea, let alone how to insulate the tanks!!
But I digress, in regards to the original post, that product is total crap. The energy it would draw from the batter would far outweigh any gained from burning what little H2 it produces. Theoretically you should drop in MPG and power as the alternator would have to extract more hp to charge the system.
Hydrogen is not and will never be a viable fuel source. The reason is simple, where do you get it? There are a few ways to get H2 but the most common at by electrolyzing water (what that POS does) or reforming fossil fuels.
When you electrolyze water it is a 1:1 reaction. That is, the amount of energy you put into the process (in the form of electricity) is equal to the amount you would get out in a perfect reaction. I'll put it another way. Say you have an electrolyzer hooked up to a 100% efficient fuel cell. The water produced by the fuel cell circulates to the electolyzer and is separated into H2 and O2. These are then reacted in the fuel cell to form water. This setup is a completly closed system and neither produces nor requires energy.
From this you can see that the best Hydrogen obtained from water will be is a battery. Since fuel cells are not 100% efficient we are actually wasting energy doing this. (i.e. you would lose 20% of the energy from the electricity used in the electrolyzer). You also have the problem of where to get the electricity to run the electrolyzer.
The other option is the reformation of fossil fuels. We are trying to stop relying on these. Also, the reformation process produces pollutants; not a very viable option either.
Even if we wanted to use Hydrogen as a battery system (i.e. centralized H2 production centers and distribution) you still have the problem of how to store it. H2 is gas form takes up a great deal of space. You can compress it but who wants to have a tank filled with an explosive gas at 3000+ psi in the back of their car (not me). You could liquify it but H2 boils at -423 F (pretty damn close to absolute zero). The energy required to cool the H2 to this temperature alone would kill that idea, let alone how to insulate the tanks!!
But I digress, in regards to the original post, that product is total crap. The energy it would draw from the batter would far outweigh any gained from burning what little H2 it produces. Theoretically you should drop in MPG and power as the alternator would have to extract more hp to charge the system.
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