too much power for a 16 year old?
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ignorant ppl
this forum is supppper bias..
so check this..
i just turned 17, ive been driving regularly for 3 years and just recently driving on my own, by an act of god , my brother( whom i love) is goin to be handing down his 03 caribbean blue g35 coupe to me.
This car is too much for people who are ignorant and dont know how to take care of their car. Ive been waiting to get this car for like 4 years. i have money saved up for upgrades that from all the info ive gathered over the years should be very cost effective and nice upgrades.
Now about the age stuff.. im 17 but I am alot more mature than alot of the people writing on these forums, driving has alot to do with discipline, and instincts and just wheter or not u notice the little things while you drive.. so the guys who are comparing how well someone drives to age...just stop,ur probably talking about urself..
its the driver.. dont blame the car
so check this..
i just turned 17, ive been driving regularly for 3 years and just recently driving on my own, by an act of god , my brother( whom i love) is goin to be handing down his 03 caribbean blue g35 coupe to me.
This car is too much for people who are ignorant and dont know how to take care of their car. Ive been waiting to get this car for like 4 years. i have money saved up for upgrades that from all the info ive gathered over the years should be very cost effective and nice upgrades.
Now about the age stuff.. im 17 but I am alot more mature than alot of the people writing on these forums, driving has alot to do with discipline, and instincts and just wheter or not u notice the little things while you drive.. so the guys who are comparing how well someone drives to age...just stop,ur probably talking about urself..
its the driver.. dont blame the car
im 19 now. got this car used just this year, drove a 98 camry v6 xle for the first 3 years of having my license. i like every other 16 or 17 year old you talk to considered myself an excellent careful driver but nope i was stupid and inexperienced as well. i still dont consider myself an experienced driver but im much more rational now
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Originally Posted by Xet
im 19 now. got this car used just this year, drove a 98 camry v6 xle for the first 3 years of having my license. i like every other 16 or 17 year old you talk to considered myself an excellent careful driver but nope i was stupid and inexperienced as well. i still dont consider myself an experienced driver but im much more rational now
Part of being an adult is being candid enough to admit past mistakes and that one has much to learn in life.
For that I give you much credit.
Maybe this thread should have had a poll....
I'd test the kid out in a beater if they handle it well and you can see that they take care of, and drive carefully in something cheap, then maybe they do deserve it, but until then I wouldn't.
Also If its a girl no. Cause she'll get pregnant. I mean look at this site, see the type of people you'd be introducing here to?!?!?!
I'd test the kid out in a beater if they handle it well and you can see that they take care of, and drive carefully in something cheap, then maybe they do deserve it, but until then I wouldn't.
Also If its a girl no. Cause she'll get pregnant. I mean look at this site, see the type of people you'd be introducing here to?!?!?!
Originally Posted by athens
What does keeping a car in "mint condition" have to do with making real adult decisions and engaging in less risky activity especially when it comes to taking chances out on the road???
I have little doubt that the 18 year old in Florida who killed himself and four other teens, taking his Dad's BMW M5 airborne, always helped keep his Dad's M5 "mint".
How about some real adult responsibilities such as providing a home for a family, progressing in a career to invest for a retirement before 65, saving or paying for your kid's college tuitions, and becoming involved in community charitable organizations. Adulthood is about responsibility for OTHERS first.
I'll be the last person to say "adults" don't act impetuously or foolishly. The path to that foolish behavior often can be traced back to their teen years. That foolishness often has a life-long effect on either themselves or innocent others. It's just that teens, by virtue of the fewer years they have been on this Earth, don't yet understand all the dangers and pitfalls in life enough to make the most prudent decisions in a variety of circumstances.
If you make the claim that some 16 year olds are better suited than others to safely and prudently drive high power sports cars then why not allow teens who have several hundred hours co-piloting a Piper Cherokee - a 180 hp 2000 lb single prop training plane - to jump right into the left seat in the flight deck of an 400 ton Boeing 747-400 loaded with 400 passengers? Or let the teen rail enthusiast operate the engineer's console of commuter train locomotive as happened in Chicago recently?
I have little doubt that the 18 year old in Florida who killed himself and four other teens, taking his Dad's BMW M5 airborne, always helped keep his Dad's M5 "mint".
How about some real adult responsibilities such as providing a home for a family, progressing in a career to invest for a retirement before 65, saving or paying for your kid's college tuitions, and becoming involved in community charitable organizations. Adulthood is about responsibility for OTHERS first.
I'll be the last person to say "adults" don't act impetuously or foolishly. The path to that foolish behavior often can be traced back to their teen years. That foolishness often has a life-long effect on either themselves or innocent others. It's just that teens, by virtue of the fewer years they have been on this Earth, don't yet understand all the dangers and pitfalls in life enough to make the most prudent decisions in a variety of circumstances.
If you make the claim that some 16 year olds are better suited than others to safely and prudently drive high power sports cars then why not allow teens who have several hundred hours co-piloting a Piper Cherokee - a 180 hp 2000 lb single prop training plane - to jump right into the left seat in the flight deck of an 400 ton Boeing 747-400 loaded with 400 passengers? Or let the teen rail enthusiast operate the engineer's console of commuter train locomotive as happened in Chicago recently?
In a beater you stick the key in, start it, put it in drive, then use a steering wheel to turn it. In a G, you stick the key in, turn it, put it in drive then turn the wheel to steer it.
In a small plane you do an assortment of things to get it going (im no pilot) vs a 747 where you have to get big jets going, and check everything and the GPS.
Your being so ridiculous i dont even feel like continuing this dicussion. Any credability you had you just lost.
And i bet you a BMW M5 that kid did not clean, clay bar, and wax that car that he killed himself in. He obviously had no respect for the car OR its limits and thats why he is now 6 feet under.
Taking care of somthing is the first sign you have a gold star.
If you saw some of the cars kids at my school show up in, you'd freak. And not just at the car, but how they take care of it. They just dont CARE.
A really responsible kid would atleast damn wash his car and show that he cares about somthing that his parents worked hard to get him.
You can have your stupid *** opinions, but until you know the family (specifically MY family), the kid, and the circumstances, anything you say is just blowing smoke. Because NOT every kid is the same.
I learned to drive in a 06 GTO with 400hp
I drive 05 G35 coupe
No close calls
No near crashs
Only thing was someone rolled into my car in parking lot when I was walking toward it but no damage
I am also learning stick in 07 nismo 350z
I drive 05 G35 coupe
No close calls
No near crashs
Only thing was someone rolled into my car in parking lot when I was walking toward it but no damage
I am also learning stick in 07 nismo 350z
Originally Posted by Nism0r
I don't see how its to much power for anyone, its not a lambo or a formula 1.
And it is a bit much power for most teens, myself included. I just say this to me while riding it (i'd like to live another day..)
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Originally Posted by Wannabe6MT
There is just a LITTLE bit of a difference between giving somone a G and comparing it to a beater, than a small plane to a Boeing 747.
In a beater you stick the key in, start it, put it in drive, then use a steering wheel to turn it. In a G, you stick the key in, turn it, put it in drive then turn the wheel to steer it.
In a small plane you do an assortment of things to get it going (im no pilot) vs a 747 where you have to get big jets going, and check everything and the GPS.
Your being so ridiculous i dont even feel like continuing this dicussion. Any credability you had you just lost.
And i bet you a BMW M5 that kid did not clean, clay bar, and wax that car that he killed himself in. He obviously had no respect for the car OR its limits and thats why he is now 6 feet under.
Taking care of somthing is the first sign you have a gold star.
You can have your stupid *** opinions, but until you know the family (specifically MY family), the kid, and the circumstances, anything you say is just blowing smoke. Because NOT every kid is the same.
In a beater you stick the key in, start it, put it in drive, then use a steering wheel to turn it. In a G, you stick the key in, turn it, put it in drive then turn the wheel to steer it.
In a small plane you do an assortment of things to get it going (im no pilot) vs a 747 where you have to get big jets going, and check everything and the GPS.
Your being so ridiculous i dont even feel like continuing this dicussion. Any credability you had you just lost.
And i bet you a BMW M5 that kid did not clean, clay bar, and wax that car that he killed himself in. He obviously had no respect for the car OR its limits and thats why he is now 6 feet under.
Taking care of somthing is the first sign you have a gold star.
You can have your stupid *** opinions, but until you know the family (specifically MY family), the kid, and the circumstances, anything you say is just blowing smoke. Because NOT every kid is the same.
You want to discuss exceptions. Teens want to talk about exceptions all the time. Adults don't have that luxury. We tend to think in terms of the broader likelihood of events either occurring or failing to occur as best as we can predict based upon past experience. Facts and common sense support the position that prudent use of very powerful cars requires more than a few thousand miles of driving experience and the responsibility that comes only with age. What hard evidence have you to offer to the contrary?
Teens are supposed to be in school preparing themselves for the real serious challenges in life like an advanced education and career and you want to debate whether using clay bars to clean your car before waxing constitutes an example of being responsible. Over the years I have had many clients who have immaculate cars who have served jails sentences for irresponsible behavior. Did the fact that they were responsible enough to keep their cars mint correlate to the lack of responsibility in more meaningful aspects of their lives? Obviously not.
When I read the nonsense on these forums such as teen drivers claiming they are somehow experienced because they have been driving since the age of 14, which in itself is a crime, my jaw drops. It signifies that what responsible adults are supposed to be imparting to the youth in our communities falls on deaf ears.
BTW in comparing the difference going from a low powered car to a high powered one relative to the difference in operating a 747 from a Piper Cherokee it is not a direct comparison. It is an ANALOGY as to the relative difference in the level of power and, therefore, responsibility in safely operating the same within each of the sets being compared.
Last edited by athens; Nov 2, 2008 at 11:20 PM.
Originally Posted by athens
You've lost respect for me? I have lost credibility? A former state prosecutor who has been both prosecuting and defending several hundred irresponsible teen drivers for nearly 20 years. I see first hand the horrible result of teens getting into powerful cars. You are going to sit and explain to me what is in your HIGH SCHOOL parking lot?
Teens are supposed to be in school preparing themselves for the real serious challenges in life like an advanced education and career and you want to debate whether using clay bars to clean your car before waxing constitutes an example of being responsible. Facts and common sense support the position that prudent use of very powerful cars requires more than a few thousand miles of driving experience and the responsibility that comes only with age. What hard evidence have you to offer to the contrary?
When I read the nonsense on these forums such as teen drivers claiming they are somehow experienced because they have been driving since the age of 14, which in itself is a crime, my jaw drops. It signifies that what responsible adults are supposed to be imparting to the youth in our communities falls on deaf ears.
Discussion is a discussion when opinion based on ascertainable fact is adduced. Not spouting opinion based on whim, conjecture, or popular sentiment. Repsectfully tell someone you disagree with their analysis and conclusion and articulate the basis for your disagreement. BTW an analogy is distinct from a direct comparison.
Teens are supposed to be in school preparing themselves for the real serious challenges in life like an advanced education and career and you want to debate whether using clay bars to clean your car before waxing constitutes an example of being responsible. Facts and common sense support the position that prudent use of very powerful cars requires more than a few thousand miles of driving experience and the responsibility that comes only with age. What hard evidence have you to offer to the contrary?
When I read the nonsense on these forums such as teen drivers claiming they are somehow experienced because they have been driving since the age of 14, which in itself is a crime, my jaw drops. It signifies that what responsible adults are supposed to be imparting to the youth in our communities falls on deaf ears.
Discussion is a discussion when opinion based on ascertainable fact is adduced. Not spouting opinion based on whim, conjecture, or popular sentiment. Repsectfully tell someone you disagree with their analysis and conclusion and articulate the basis for your disagreement. BTW an analogy is distinct from a direct comparison.
There is a difference between preparing somone for the real world (trust me, i could start threads for days about all that) and somone being responsible enough to handle the oh so amazing 217whp of an AT G sedan.
There are so many irresponsible kids out there (with cars..) but if you got to know a few of us who arent complete dumb fvcks on teh road, you'd probably change you'r tune.
If you knew this kid on my ski team, Mike, who is a 4.0 smart as hell kid with a 2002 Maxima, you would get what im saying. He has floored his car in 3 years. Not ONCE. He says he is afraid the tranny is going to blow up (
)He is a pretty sensible driver, and he is proof there are kids out there that dont think they are invincible.
BTW im sorry if im making you feel like im personally attacking you. Im not. Im just letting you know (unfortunatly, harshly) Im just letting you know that there are a few of us (shockingly) that taking driving seriously and dont treat it like a damn game.
Be safe out there.
