R.I.P. 2 My 04 IP Coupe =(
Add this together guys.
1) Bald Tires (obviously he likes to smoke them a lot)
2) It was raining
3) VDC off
4) Spinning tires and hit 2nd spinning tires (means he was flooring it showing off breaking the tires loose )
I dunno what to say anymore, but obviously someone needs to go back and learn how to drive.
1) Bald Tires (obviously he likes to smoke them a lot)
2) It was raining
3) VDC off
4) Spinning tires and hit 2nd spinning tires (means he was flooring it showing off breaking the tires loose )
I dunno what to say anymore, but obviously someone needs to go back and learn how to drive.
I exercise the required restraint for the given conditions and have never induced the VDC without doing so intentionally. On the other hand, the VDC kicks in and doesn't allow the small amount of wheelspin that I am intentionally inducing upon corner exit. I'm not talking about drifting on public roads, or even a 15 degree tail wag, I'm talking about wheelspin upon corner exit, as you unwind the wheel and are relatively straight. For anyone unfamiliar with what I'm talking about, and/or for those not capable of using restraint, keep the VDC on to save you from yourself.
Simply put, it's not advanced enough to know that I'm willing to accept some small amount of wheelspin when exiting a corner hard. Good for a novice RWDriver, IMO, or anyone else that can't use the required restraint. It sounds like the Corvette's system would be much more suitable for me.
Something to keep in mind is the intervention points for different models may differ. While we should have relatively the same VDC performance between our cars, there are a lot more '05+ 6MT (19" wheels) owners who feel that it steps in way too soon. When I started to express this myself, early on, many '03-'04.5 owners with 17" and 18" wheels expressed how much wheelspin they could get before the VDC kicked in on corner exit. Go spin your tires in the wet, from a stop, with the VDC on and notice how much wheelspin is allowed. If it's none to little, then there are more differences in the VDC system per model than we've acknowledged. But I'm pretty confident that you'll find you're able to light them up through most of 1st before the VDC kicks in and stops the wheelspin. Much more wheelspin, in fact, than many VDC-reliant owners may expect.
Daily, the VDC seems to blunt the interface between me and the car just a bit. Turn it off and see if things don't feel a bit more raw. Likewise, it seems like the clutch interface is softened up with the VDC on, although this may be my imagination. Still, I find the clutch engagement to have a bit more feel with it off. Imagination or not, I always know within the 2nd start-from-a-stop if I've left the VDC on. It feels like I'm slipping the clutch a bit more, and that it's softer, which is what tips me off. Others have expressed this, so I know I'm not alone.
While everyone would have been much safer leaving the training-wheels on their bikes when they were kids, you gain enough experience and confidence to take them off and really experience bike riding for what it is. There are some inherent dangers in that, such as leaning over and falling. But that also increases your experience and you begin to understand what can and can't be done. But you don't simply stop leaning when turning, do you? Of course, if you do something stupid, which you probably already know isn't a good idea, you might get hurt or hurt someone else as well. But that's why you don't do really stupid stuff on the streets. And you don't put your training wheels back on to ride on the streets with traffic. You use your common sense and some restraint for the given situation. You stay on your toes.
Most people should keep the VDC on, I agree with that. But I will say that knowing the VDC is off always keeps me on my toes, as I should be. It's apparent that there are some owners who lack the repspect that the vehicle deserves, be it with the VDC on or off. My point is that you should know what the car can and can't do and that you should find a safe place to determine that, so you know what to expect. Likewise, it would be smart to see how the same situations are handled with the VDC on. If you leave it on or off at that point, it shouldn't really matter. You'll know enough to keep yourself out of trouble, and hopefully you'll exercise the restraint needed to do so.
Sorry to rant, but I feel obligated to speak up when someone throws out the "WHY EVER TURN IT OFF on the streets" comment. There are justified reasons, granted, not everyone has enough restraint to save themselves from their own mistakes. It's been more of a hinderance than a benefit, so that's really the bottom line, isn't it? '79 Datsun 280ZX, '83 Nissan 280ZX Turbo, '91 Mustang GT, 468ci '55 Bel Air... ...none of which had VDC. I don't shun technological or safety advances, and prefer them when executed well, but I can get along just fine without them... ...especially if they're a hinderance. That's what the VDC has been to me so far. It will be nice to know it's there when we get snow and I'm driving delicately anyway... ...but we get maybe a week of snow a year.
As for accident avoidance... ...that's a whole other post.
Simply put, it's not advanced enough to know that I'm willing to accept some small amount of wheelspin when exiting a corner hard. Good for a novice RWDriver, IMO, or anyone else that can't use the required restraint. It sounds like the Corvette's system would be much more suitable for me.
Something to keep in mind is the intervention points for different models may differ. While we should have relatively the same VDC performance between our cars, there are a lot more '05+ 6MT (19" wheels) owners who feel that it steps in way too soon. When I started to express this myself, early on, many '03-'04.5 owners with 17" and 18" wheels expressed how much wheelspin they could get before the VDC kicked in on corner exit. Go spin your tires in the wet, from a stop, with the VDC on and notice how much wheelspin is allowed. If it's none to little, then there are more differences in the VDC system per model than we've acknowledged. But I'm pretty confident that you'll find you're able to light them up through most of 1st before the VDC kicks in and stops the wheelspin. Much more wheelspin, in fact, than many VDC-reliant owners may expect.
Daily, the VDC seems to blunt the interface between me and the car just a bit. Turn it off and see if things don't feel a bit more raw. Likewise, it seems like the clutch interface is softened up with the VDC on, although this may be my imagination. Still, I find the clutch engagement to have a bit more feel with it off. Imagination or not, I always know within the 2nd start-from-a-stop if I've left the VDC on. It feels like I'm slipping the clutch a bit more, and that it's softer, which is what tips me off. Others have expressed this, so I know I'm not alone.
While everyone would have been much safer leaving the training-wheels on their bikes when they were kids, you gain enough experience and confidence to take them off and really experience bike riding for what it is. There are some inherent dangers in that, such as leaning over and falling. But that also increases your experience and you begin to understand what can and can't be done. But you don't simply stop leaning when turning, do you? Of course, if you do something stupid, which you probably already know isn't a good idea, you might get hurt or hurt someone else as well. But that's why you don't do really stupid stuff on the streets. And you don't put your training wheels back on to ride on the streets with traffic. You use your common sense and some restraint for the given situation. You stay on your toes.
Most people should keep the VDC on, I agree with that. But I will say that knowing the VDC is off always keeps me on my toes, as I should be. It's apparent that there are some owners who lack the repspect that the vehicle deserves, be it with the VDC on or off. My point is that you should know what the car can and can't do and that you should find a safe place to determine that, so you know what to expect. Likewise, it would be smart to see how the same situations are handled with the VDC on. If you leave it on or off at that point, it shouldn't really matter. You'll know enough to keep yourself out of trouble, and hopefully you'll exercise the restraint needed to do so.
Sorry to rant, but I feel obligated to speak up when someone throws out the "WHY EVER TURN IT OFF on the streets" comment. There are justified reasons, granted, not everyone has enough restraint to save themselves from their own mistakes. It's been more of a hinderance than a benefit, so that's really the bottom line, isn't it? '79 Datsun 280ZX, '83 Nissan 280ZX Turbo, '91 Mustang GT, 468ci '55 Bel Air... ...none of which had VDC. I don't shun technological or safety advances, and prefer them when executed well, but I can get along just fine without them... ...especially if they're a hinderance. That's what the VDC has been to me so far. It will be nice to know it's there when we get snow and I'm driving delicately anyway... ...but we get maybe a week of snow a year.
As for accident avoidance... ...that's a whole other post.
Last edited by GT-Ron; Nov 14, 2006 at 03:18 PM.
In the wet, or the dry? My comment was the amount of straight-line wheelspin allowed in the wet. Fact is, if I'm going to try to spin my wheels in the dry, then VDC is absolutely going to be off. But when I tried the VDC out in the wet, with the intention of seeing how much wheelspin it would allow (in hopes that it might allow a good wet launch), I was pretty shocked and thought 'a lot of good that's going to do'. And I don't drop the clutch to get the wheels to spin. This was getting under way normally and then rolling into the throttle in 1st. Maybe it was so used to being off I caught it asleep?
And the possibility of different engagement points aside, which might explain why some feel it's too agressive while others don't, there are valid reasons why I don't prefer to leave it on all the time. Inexperienced drivers doing something stupid and not having the VDC on to catch them isn't reason for me to prefer the system, it's only added encouragement to exercise restraint when needed. Beleive me, I'm the last guy who wants to have to post that he's wrecked "because the VDC was off"
, which is why I stick to using experience and restraint as my guide.
And the possibility of different engagement points aside, which might explain why some feel it's too agressive while others don't, there are valid reasons why I don't prefer to leave it on all the time. Inexperienced drivers doing something stupid and not having the VDC on to catch them isn't reason for me to prefer the system, it's only added encouragement to exercise restraint when needed. Beleive me, I'm the last guy who wants to have to post that he's wrecked "because the VDC was off"
, which is why I stick to using experience and restraint as my guide.
Last edited by GT-Ron; Nov 14, 2006 at 03:43 PM.
Im going to try my best to strip all that parts off like the wing,Brembos,Navigation. I will keep everyone whos interested updated. Thanks
Last edited by Wicked_limitz; Nov 14, 2006 at 05:34 PM.
lol i was gonna say 25 mph....
wow dude. is that you in the picture? roof is almost at your shoulder I think if i ever got into an accident my big 6'4" *** would be good as dead in this car
wow dude. is that you in the picture? roof is almost at your shoulder
I think if i ever got into an accident my big 6'4" *** would be good as dead in this car
yeah man, im 5"8 cant believe i walked away from that one, if you look in that last pic, you can see some blue marks, the police is wondering if anyone slammed into me, but i black out and dont remember.
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