Yes, I should have said I never have to add a drop of oil to my Z between changes. I get excellent Blackstone reports on it too.

 

the only problem with that is you need to have 3 prior attempts at fixing the problem before you can file. and with the oil consumption thing that takes a while since you have to do an oil consumption test first and then go from there.

 

you don't really need 3 prior attempts..

 

I do not know if the 3 attempt rule would be vaild at this point. Nissan is replacing a bad engine with another possible bad engine. That truly shows that they have not found a fix for the problem.

Maybe best to contact a lemon law attorney.

 

Could you elaborate?

 

Could you also tell us what state you are in, every state has a different lemon law.

 

That would depend on the Lemon Law of the state you are in:

Here is Pa's lemo law

Pennsylvania Lemon Law Basics
The Pennsylvania lemon law covers any consumer who buys, or leases, and registers a new motor vehicle in the state. Under the Pennsylvania Lemon Law your car may be declared a lemon if it meets all of the following conditions:

it has a nonconformity (a defect, or condition) the nonconformity is covered by the manufacturer's express warranty

the nonconformity SUBSTANTIALLY impairs the use, market value, or safety of the car

the nonconformity is not the result of an accident, abuse, neglect, or alteration of the car by persons other than the manufacturer or its authorized dealer

you reported the nonconformity at least once to the manufacturer's authorized dealer during the Pennsylvania Lemon Law Rights Period of 1 year or 12,000 miles whichever comes first.

you gave the manufacturer or its authorized dealer three opportunities to repair the nonconformity.

 

Here is my dilema and you should consider this recourse

My 06' 350 Rev-up is consuming 2 1/2 qts in 700 miles

The dealer did the consumption test to verify.

Monday of this week I took the car in so that they could evaluate.

I received a phone call from them today and was told that Nissan is very aware of the problem, but did have a fix at the moment. He also told me that Nissan was not authorizing a long block swap because they did not yet understand the cause and there is an investigation under way.

This was not acceptable to me so I began to put my story into writing as well as mentioned that I have been keeping a registry of others around the contry experiencing the same problem. I then sent it off to 60 Minutes News and faxed a copy to Nissan consumer affairs. Within the hour, I received a call from Nissan corp wanting to "document" the facts. Within a hour after hanging up with them, I received a phone call from the dealership telling me that they had received autorization to replace the long block and the new Long block would be in Friday and installed Monday. Wow! Push a few buttons and and mention 60 Minutes and things began to happen so fast.

If you use this stradegy, I would suggest you have all you facts straight so that you are taken seriously. Good luck.

 

The worst part of this is that you are getting another engine that will more than likely burn oil again. As it was stated in another thread where does that put you....back at step one. Nissan needs to consult with outside help if the in-house engineers are unable to fix the problem.

Wouldn't replacing the rings with a higher quality fix the problem? If that would fix the problem, I'm sure that is cheaper than replacing long blocks. What happens when they run out of 06 VQ engines?

 

Exactly. I think that person did a good thing by documenting everything and going to the media. However, the end result that he got is not the one that I want.

A certain percentage of these engines consume excess oil. Therefore, a new long block will be just as likely to have the same problem as my old engine unless they have made certain modifications. Not an optimal solution in my book.

 

Would you mind sharing a copy or summary of what you sent them? While I am not interested in a new engine, I wonder if your approach would help me get them moving on a repair or get them to take back the car without the hassle of a Lemon Law claim.

 

Just a few things:

This should be made a sticky so that others will see it.

Those with consumption problems that are documented by a dealer consumption test should post in the registry that resides here:

http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240162

Furthermore, here is a letter that I emailed to 60 Minutes and faxed to Nissan Corp Consumer Affairs. If you are documented to have an consumption problem, I urge you to take the same steps. (But write your own letter)

60 Minutes



To who it may concern:

My name is Rick Coomer. I purchased two vehicles from Nissan in 06'. An 06' Infiniti G35 and an 06' Z350 at a price of 40K ea that I gave to my sons who became of driving age. These were to be graduation gift for a job well done. Of course they love these cars, who wouldn't. As a result of owning them, we decided that we would create a club for enthusiasts in our area and began to meet every other Sunday to discuss these cars, go on cruises and such things. We also found forums that allowed us to communicate with other enthusiasts around the country and around the world.

It was through our online forum communication that we discovered that owners of 06' manual transmission rev-up engines which are in both of these cars were having oil consumption issues. Because we are enthusiasts and meet at a shop, we change our oil more frequently than most. At about two thousand miles, I began to notice that the 350Z was consuming at a minimum, 1-2 qts every 2000 miles. The problem deteriorated to the point were we were burning 2 qts every 700 miles. Obviously a problem. It was at this point that I took the car in for an oil consumption test so that the dealer could verify and document the problem.

During this time I had already been brought up to date by hundred of other owners around the world who were experiencing the identical problem, and had done the same oil consumption test with their dealers. Early on, Nissan accepted the problem and immediately replaced the engines in many of these cars. But as time went on (months) many of the vehicles with swapped engines continued to experience the same problem. It was at this point that apparently Nissan decided to no longer swap engines because they could not identify the cause. How is it that a car manufacturer can manufacture vehicles, offer a warranty, but not live up to the warranty?

This brings us to were we are today. After having the situation explained to me by a Service manager of a Nissan dealership, I decided that I have had enough of this. I placed my trust in Nissan and purchased two vehicles from them that I expect will provide my children with safe transportation while they are away at school. Instead I am faced with a situation where I can not trust these vehicles and furthermore, the manufacturer is not stepping up and handling their implied responsibilities.

I have created a registry from owners around the country that continue to struggle with this problem and many are now attempting to Lemon Law their cars because of it. I am asking for your help in exposing this situation and making this public. I can be reached at 856-607-6755 and I can provide all the necessary documents, web sites, forums and other owners you will need to investigate this.

Sincerely,


Rick Coomer

 

[QUOTE=Theatrix]Just a few things:

This should be made a sticky so that others will see it.

Those with consumption problems that are documented by a dealer consumption test should post in the registry that resides here:

http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240162

Rick - Thanks alot. See my new thread for an update.

 

I'm in California and the law here is
Lemon Law Rights Period of 1 year or 18,000 miles whichever comes first.
but you will be qualified as a lemon law
if you have taken your car in for service( to get something fixed)within the 1 year or 18,000.
so that means you don't need 3 or more attempts within the 1st year or 18,000.
I know everybody says that you have to attempt 3 or more to be qualified, but that's not true. Contact a lawyer and ask him for details. It's free anyways. You don't have to pay a lawyer for lemon law. The company such as Infiniti/Nissan will pay for you if you win the case. If you don't win, oh well, the lawyer doesnt get paied at all.

 

Actually, what is likely the case under CA law is that if you lose the case, you pay the attorney but if you win, the company pays. It is called fee shifting. I would check it out before making any claims.