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Originally Posted by saitcho
The exact definition of "heel-toe" is often very varied among different people. I can smoothly shift without ever "heel-toeing", by which my definition of heel toeing is using my toe to blip the rev while also braking at the same time with my heel and downshifting with my other foot. On public roads, I never need to do all three at the same time except perhaps under the most EXTREME circumstance (like four 18 wheelers are headed towards me and I need to stop and turn and go quickly). Otherwise, I can easily brake, shift to neutral, then rev match and shift into gear in the turn. No need to ever heel-toe there.
Under what circumstance do you find it useful to heel-toe while daily driving?
Under what circumstance do you find it useful to heel-toe while daily driving?
I want to make it clear that I also agree that heel-toe is not neccessary. I drove a manual for 8 years with my first car and never heel-toed and did just fine. When I got my G over three years ago, I then taught myself with some written instructions how to heel-toe as well as rev match. It was at slower street legal speeds and at times when no one was in the car and very little to no traffic. Let me say that there were some very jerky momments with either uneven brake pressure or not enough revs to match the down shifts
But I have long mastered the technique and now sometimes just rev-match if I am slowing very slowly or heel-toe at times. That may be coming down off off-ramps and I am not coming to a red light...or a 3 down to 2 shift before a right hand corner... or times I am just feeling a bit sporty. I have also done a few track days and obviously I am always heel-toeing there which gave me a big advantage over my fellow novices at the time.
As far as saving heel-toe for the track...I saw a guy almost throw his car into the wall because he was trying to learn how to heel-toe at the track and his car was too close to the adhesion limit for the rear tires to loose traction because he did not match his revs correctly. The instructors preach not to try to learn heel-toe at the track, you are learning too many other things about your car. You are also going to fast to make severe mistakes like jerking your car around due to a bad shift.
Peace.
But I have long mastered the technique and now sometimes just rev-match if I am slowing very slowly or heel-toe at times. That may be coming down off off-ramps and I am not coming to a red light...or a 3 down to 2 shift before a right hand corner... or times I am just feeling a bit sporty. I have also done a few track days and obviously I am always heel-toeing there which gave me a big advantage over my fellow novices at the time. As far as saving heel-toe for the track...I saw a guy almost throw his car into the wall because he was trying to learn how to heel-toe at the track and his car was too close to the adhesion limit for the rear tires to loose traction because he did not match his revs correctly. The instructors preach not to try to learn heel-toe at the track, you are learning too many other things about your car. You are also going to fast to make severe mistakes like jerking your car around due to a bad shift.
Peace.
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