G35 Vs. American Cars
#16
05-15-2005, 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Hotrod
I have both a 2005 G 6mt stock and a modified 1969 Z/28 camaro with a rack and pinion tubular control arm front end with coil overs and a corvette independent rear suspension with a 4:11 to 1 rear gear ratio and a 4 speed overdrive automatic transmission. The engine is a 434 cubic inch small block making 589 RWHP on pump gas (see pic)
Now i will admit the ride and the interior on the G is much better but I have raced against my camaro in the G (my brother was driving the camaro) on a road course and while the g can turn in a little better/faster ( much better brakes on the g) halfway through the turn the camaro starts eating the G alive. Once on the straight the G has no chance as the camaro pulls away from the G at light speed. In a three lap race the camaro beats my G every time by at least 35 seconds.
The G is a great modern sports coupe for the money but don't believe that it will smoke a well tuned muscle car on a road course. I have both and have been racing for many years ( over 20) and I have driven many types of cars and while the G is a GREAT Daily Driver it is by no means a "Race Car"
Now i will admit the ride and the interior on the G is much better but I have raced against my camaro in the G (my brother was driving the camaro) on a road course and while the g can turn in a little better/faster ( much better brakes on the g) halfway through the turn the camaro starts eating the G alive. Once on the straight the G has no chance as the camaro pulls away from the G at light speed. In a three lap race the camaro beats my G every time by at least 35 seconds.
The G is a great modern sports coupe for the money but don't believe that it will smoke a well tuned muscle car on a road course. I have both and have been racing for many years ( over 20) and I have driven many types of cars and while the G is a GREAT Daily Driver it is by no means a "Race Car"
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05-15-2005, 11:15 AM
#19
05-15-2005, 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by tiblot
*most* american cars are complete utter waste of money
they have HORRIBLE interior design, disgusting exterior and complete illogical engine design
ie. the new mustang GT. Its a v8 that outputs 300 hp? Is that not a lack of power or what. Our V6's put 298 out ....
However, I did say *most*. The newest vette is very impressive ....
they have HORRIBLE interior design, disgusting exterior and complete illogical engine design
ie. the new mustang GT. Its a v8 that outputs 300 hp? Is that not a lack of power or what. Our V6's put 298 out ....
However, I did say *most*. The newest vette is very impressive ....
I also purchased my 2003 Cobra for less than my G coupe. Then I spent less than $1,000 in mods and can go 0-60 in under 4, capable of running 11's in the 1/4 mile. Oh and this SVT handles pretty well...except for the turn radius...it's a tank.
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#20
05-15-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Hotrod
I have both a 2005 G 6mt stock and a modified 1969 Z/28 camaro with a rack and pinion tubular control arm front end with coil overs and a corvette independent rear suspension with a 4:11 to 1 rear gear ratio and a 4 speed overdrive automatic transmission. The engine is a 434 cubic inch small block making 589 RWHP on pump gas (see pic)
Now i will admit the ride and the interior on the G is much better but I have raced against my camaro in the G (my brother was driving the camaro) on a road course and while the g can turn in a little better/faster ( much better brakes on the g) halfway through the turn the camaro starts eating the G alive. Once on the straight the G has no chance as the camaro pulls away from the G at light speed. In a three lap race the camaro beats my G every time by at least 35 seconds.
The G is a great modern sports coupe for the money but don't believe that it will smoke a well tuned muscle car on a road course. I have both and have been racing for many years ( over 20) and I have driven many types of cars and while the G is a GREAT Daily Driver it is by no means a "Race Car"
Now i will admit the ride and the interior on the G is much better but I have raced against my camaro in the G (my brother was driving the camaro) on a road course and while the g can turn in a little better/faster ( much better brakes on the g) halfway through the turn the camaro starts eating the G alive. Once on the straight the G has no chance as the camaro pulls away from the G at light speed. In a three lap race the camaro beats my G every time by at least 35 seconds.
The G is a great modern sports coupe for the money but don't believe that it will smoke a well tuned muscle car on a road course. I have both and have been racing for many years ( over 20) and I have driven many types of cars and while the G is a GREAT Daily Driver it is by no means a "Race Car"
Years ago I owned a '69 Torino GT 428 so I know what you mean about that kind of V8 power, although mine was stock with much less power than your Camaro. If your camaro was stock too it would be a closer race with the G of course. You're certainly right about the G not being a race car. It's an all around nice performing car but lacks the brute force of a muscle car.Look after those babies. They deserve it.
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05-15-2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by da45king
A G is no match for a "tuned muscle car"???.....TUNE the G... AEBS 4.3 stroker motor with 8.5:1 turbo pistons....APS twin turbo with 22lbs of boost...3.93 final drive ratio....tilton 8lb flywheel...3 Hail Marys...1High Father....and the camaro would be toast....
Yes and you would have spent an additional 50k to 70k on the car.
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Originally Posted by Hotrod
Yes and you would have spent an additional 50k to 70k on the car.
Originally Posted by RBull
a modified 1969 Z/28 camaro with a rack and pinion tubular control arm front end with coil overs and a corvette independent rear suspension with a 4:11 to 1 rear gear ratio and a 4 speed overdrive automatic transmission. The engine is a 434 cubic inch small block making 589 RWHP on pump gas
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05-15-2005, 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by da45king
A G is no match for a "tuned muscle car"???.....TUNE the G... AEBS 4.3 stroker motor with 8.5:1 turbo pistons....APS twin turbo with 22lbs of boost...3.93 final drive ratio....tilton 8lb flywheel...3 Hail Marys...1High Father....and the camaro would be toast....
BTW: i ment to put jpn, not what i had put, my appologies, i corrected the error in typing
#26
05-15-2005, 09:24 PM
I agree with the above - equally mod out the G and then see how it compares to that old American muscle. Just because its from 15 to 20 years before I was born doesn't mean it makes sense that you compare old, heavily modified American muscle to new, stock G. People go nuts on these boards when an S2000 with intake/exhaust is compared to a stock G....It seems like you have a little bit more in that Camaro than I/E 
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Most American cars are crap, but a few are better than the rest(vette and vipe). The G is made for specifically for doing what its supposed to do...being a luxury sport coupe, not a track car. A stock vette and a stock G are totally different, G is a great everyday car, vette is not. Its noisy, rough, and uncomfortable, but it wasnt made to be a daily driver. Throw in $20 grand in each one, then thats a different story, cuz the G gets closer to the vettes performance, but the vette still wont have the luxury, so I guess my point is each car is better in its own way?
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05-15-2005, 10:56 PM
my friend drives a v8 mustang (rouche stage 3) and i watched him smoke a porsche 911 with bolt ons one night by a mile... take him to the twisties and its probably closer, but the mustang still wins probably. If you spend enough on suspension, you can get some of the economy performance american cars to handle better than the G.... and still cost less money. I dont compare jdm, dtm, and USDM anymore... they arent better or worse than one another, just different. We all think our cars are fast in turns and thats important (because it is), but american muscle cars are only concerned with QM time. The same way an owner of a bmw would say that his car is a well rounded, well engineered luxury car.... its whatever floats your boat.