thats exactly what i said man.. the cars should run nearly exactly the same.. its always either a driver's race or based on other outside factors.. quote:
"even after that i still think the cars basically perform exactly the same and some other factor must have made up for my lead in those races.."

hahahahaah and dont even try to lie about that 4th gear thing.. we were on the phone and i made sure you were in 3rd also... i believe your exact words at the time were "damn, i guess your car is just faster" ahahahahahah

ay jimmy lets go to the track some time for the hell of it.. your car will appreciate a day of beating.. gimme a call if you're in LA this weekend if you wanna kick it.. i wanna show u my overlays and tint

 

Ok, you car had how many more pounds of torque? I'm saying that 10 less lb/ft of torque is not going to make a difference in 60ft time.........you have much to learn padwan

 

so you agree then? that there is a difference, even if there isnt that much.

you obviously chose the right example to what I'm getting at.
Not much of a difference, but a difference none-the-less.

 

ChazM, thanks for the comparison race. BTW, what were the average 1/4 MPHs between your car and Ryan's. I see that you're going 1.8mph faster in your comparision run, but sometimes these VQs aren't the most consistent cars when it comes to trap speed.

10 ft/lbs isn't going to make a difference. My 96 Maxima did low 2.2 60 foots with 170whp/180wtq and 205whp/200wtq. The difference in acceleration was markedly improved from 330' on.


I want to see your "best" slip, increment by increment. Unless I see something better than a 13.9@101mph, you're not going to make a believer out of me that the 298hp motor is quicker and faster in the 1/4 mile.


Exactly. The softer midrange power of the 05 6MT will make it marginally slower to 70mph than the 280hp motor and then as speeds increase and the gearing gets longer, the 05 will be able to take advantage of it's better topend power which is situated in the last 1000rpms of the rpm range. Above 100mph, the 05 should slowly be pulling away.

 

You know what this sounds like Dave? Past memories...4th gen vs 5th gen 2000-2001 .

 

comparing apples to oranges. The 3rd Gen Maximas were quick in their time, I had a 95 SE. It was hard to find a car that actually pegged it's speedometer like how the Maxima did.

But this is in regards of the example that ChazM, it clearly shows that the 04 is quicker to ChazM's 05.

 

^you are not understanding me...that was only one run, sometimes I beat him through the 1/4 mile in ET and my trap would be slower!

 

My buddy at work has an 04 coupe and I have an 05. We race once in awhile and he has yet to beat me.

 

I understand that.
But I was explaining to you in theory what torque and horsepower is and their effects. reason why I gave you an exagerated view on how my old car performed, to show an exagerated difference to your small difference you're trying to show.
so if you'd lose as well, what was your friend's times at which you lost?

 

Ok, you asked for numbers...here ya go. These are the top 10 1/4 mile times I have out of 26.

Best will be first of course. i'll give you as much as I can.

Time: 1# 14.063 2# 14.121 3# 14.123 4# 14.132 5# 14.177 6# 14.193 7# 14.217 8# 14.229 9# 14.234 10# 14.257

60': 1# 2.129 2# 2.208 3# 2.184 4# 2.121 5# 2.163 6# 2.181 7# 2.123 8# 2.144 9# 2.183 10# 2.219

MPH: 1# 101.10 2# 101.49 3# 99.85 4# 99.19 5# 100.14 6# 99.00 7# 98.98 8# 99.85 9# 99.03 10# 98.90

I also have 330 times, 1/8 times and speeds, 1000ft times. Not sure if you need all that as well, but just post and I will. I do not wish to continue this great debate, but I still contend that if you have equal drivers the 05 will win. What people I don't think are relizing is that .1-.5 is anywhere from half a car to almost a car and a half distance in a race, and that is just at the first 1/4 mile. If this race were to continue to a mile or more the distance would be even greater. i am not trying to be a ***** or anything just speaking from my personal expirence at the track and on the streets.

 

I was looking for 04 numbers, not 05s.
I wasnt debating about who'd win either.
I was explaining the outcome of different powers. HP vs TQ.

 

Your times and trapspeeds seem to go hand in hand with what the 03/04s are getting. Capital is a quick track and I'm a bit surprised you're not quicker. I've seen some wicked stock times from 03/04 350Z 6MT and 5ATs at Capital over at MY350Z.com. We're talking 13.6-13.8@102mph stock.

 

Here's an example where I beat him on ET, with a better 60' time but ended up with a slower trap.
I understand that torque will get you off the line better, but what I am trying to explain is that I have about 7 less lbs of torque and about 10 more hp (we both dyno'd together) and just because I showed our best run that night and it just so happened that he had a better 60' and I had a better trap, but that doesn't prove anything.

----Me---------------------------Ryan
R/T--.480-------------------------.071
60'---2.237------------------------2.266
330---6.229------------------------6.256
1/8----9.447------------------------9.508
mph---76.64------------------------76.75
1000---12.185---------------------12.267
1/4----14.492----------------------14.589
MPH---96.49------------------------96.60

 

My trap speeds are always 96.xxmph. Never have I once gotten higher. My car seems to trap a lot slower than most G's.

And just to let people know, the track Chaz and I raced at is known as "Orlando Spin World"...meaning that we could likely have better times at a better track.

 

Damn I thought I was the only one who....had it like that