G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
#46
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
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I cant stand when people pick apart others posts because there is word they dont like or a term not used the way they thnk it should be.Correcting facts and figures - fine,but when I have to explain myself,by killing another ten minutes typing it makes this forum near useless.
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Let's just say I disagree with just about everything you said in your last post. But that's fine: you don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. I like healthy debates, but you took things too personally, and as an insult, and that's not my intent. It also becomes a waste of time arguing. So let's just agree to disagree and drop it. I don't want to hijack someone else's thread, so back to the original topic, the Crossfire. [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]
2003 G35C, 6MT, DG/G, Aero/Nav/Premium
2002 Corvette Z06, Electron Blue/Black
I cant stand when people pick apart others posts because there is word they dont like or a term not used the way they thnk it should be.Correcting facts and figures - fine,but when I have to explain myself,by killing another ten minutes typing it makes this forum near useless.
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Let's just say I disagree with just about everything you said in your last post. But that's fine: you don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. I like healthy debates, but you took things too personally, and as an insult, and that's not my intent. It also becomes a waste of time arguing. So let's just agree to disagree and drop it. I don't want to hijack someone else's thread, so back to the original topic, the Crossfire. [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]
2003 G35C, 6MT, DG/G, Aero/Nav/Premium
2002 Corvette Z06, Electron Blue/Black
#47
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
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Performance wise in a straight line it's no match for a G and in the handling dept it may be a tiny bit better than a G but I think that's due to it's huge stock tires it comes with, and not an advanced suspension setup. Give the G some fat a$$ 19's like the Chrossfires' and do some comparisons on handling, I'm sure the G will come out with the superior numbers. I bet in that 'Art of driving' even they have the G will be handicapped with the 17's no LSD.
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Uh, big wheels HURT performance unless you're driving at top speed (or maybe offroad). 17s, even at the same weight, will accelerate faster and brake more quickly, and generally allow the car to change direction more easily. You won't find 19s on a serious car at either autocross or a dragstrip. Putting 19s on a 215hp, 3000 pound car that's barely bigger than a Miata is the sort of stupidity that gave us SUVs in every driveway of well-paved American suburbia.
Besides, the dumb things look like wagon wheels.
-Jack
Obsidian/graphite '03 Coupe premium nav
Performance wise in a straight line it's no match for a G and in the handling dept it may be a tiny bit better than a G but I think that's due to it's huge stock tires it comes with, and not an advanced suspension setup. Give the G some fat a$$ 19's like the Chrossfires' and do some comparisons on handling, I'm sure the G will come out with the superior numbers. I bet in that 'Art of driving' even they have the G will be handicapped with the 17's no LSD.
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Uh, big wheels HURT performance unless you're driving at top speed (or maybe offroad). 17s, even at the same weight, will accelerate faster and brake more quickly, and generally allow the car to change direction more easily. You won't find 19s on a serious car at either autocross or a dragstrip. Putting 19s on a 215hp, 3000 pound car that's barely bigger than a Miata is the sort of stupidity that gave us SUVs in every driveway of well-paved American suburbia.
Besides, the dumb things look like wagon wheels.
-Jack
Obsidian/graphite '03 Coupe premium nav
#48
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Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
I was refering to the idea that the Xfire has better skidpad numbers due to it's big wheel/low profile sticky tire configuration. It's got 255's in the rear with 35 series Z rated tires! I don't think a G coupe with 17's and stock tires with no lsd can compete with it's handling numbers. I recall a comparo in a magazine, forgot which, that had the Xfire giving better handling numbers compared to a 350Z track. Here's a post by some guy on the my350z forum that actually went to one of those Art of Driving events.
------------------I test drove one of these at Chrysler's Art of Driving event in Boston. One of the nice things about this event was that they also brought along some of the Crossfire' competitors -- the G35 coupe, the Boxster, and the Audi TT -- and you could test drive two of these back-to-back with the Crossfire on an autocross track. I choose the G35 coupe and the Boxster, of course.
I was pleasantly surprised by the handling of the Crossfire. I thought it handled considerably better than the G35 coupe, probably due to its lighter weight (about 3000 lbs) and bigger tires (19" on the rear). The Boxster was clearly the best handling car of the three, and the G35 was clearly the fastest. The track was relatively small, with a lot of tight curves, so that tended to show off both the handling of the Crossfire and its low-end torque (noticeably better than the Boxster).-------
I personally think it's still underpowered and ugly though.
------------------I test drove one of these at Chrysler's Art of Driving event in Boston. One of the nice things about this event was that they also brought along some of the Crossfire' competitors -- the G35 coupe, the Boxster, and the Audi TT -- and you could test drive two of these back-to-back with the Crossfire on an autocross track. I choose the G35 coupe and the Boxster, of course.
I was pleasantly surprised by the handling of the Crossfire. I thought it handled considerably better than the G35 coupe, probably due to its lighter weight (about 3000 lbs) and bigger tires (19" on the rear). The Boxster was clearly the best handling car of the three, and the G35 was clearly the fastest. The track was relatively small, with a lot of tight curves, so that tended to show off both the handling of the Crossfire and its low-end torque (noticeably better than the Boxster).-------
I personally think it's still underpowered and ugly though.
#49
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
13.8 quarter for the Crossfire and RX8
ahhahaha
YAP
and since you were at THE CRYSLER art of driving event ....
I wonder what they did to the G .... I honestly wonder if they did anything to it ... to "enhance" the appeal at a Chrysler EVENT
yah ... they probably did nothing to it... didnt change the springs or air pressure even ... cause someone would know !!
SURE
I dunno.. JUST TALKIN
nahhhh ...they're fair
Hey man .. .you should try to post your weblink on the 350z forum and see what happens then !
ahhahaha
YAP
and since you were at THE CRYSLER art of driving event ....
I wonder what they did to the G .... I honestly wonder if they did anything to it ... to "enhance" the appeal at a Chrysler EVENT
yah ... they probably did nothing to it... didnt change the springs or air pressure even ... cause someone would know !!
SURE
I dunno.. JUST TALKIN
nahhhh ...they're fair
Hey man .. .you should try to post your weblink on the 350z forum and see what happens then !
#50
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
DialyCurtis,
I have driven the G35 on two other occasions on test drives from dealers. Drove and felt the same as at the Art of Driving event. If Chrysler had messed with the G35, it would have hurt the credibility of the Crossfire. Since the Crossfire handles better than the G35, they didn't have to mess with the G35 in any way. You can argued they messed with the G35 in the sense that the course didn't have a good straightaway to let the G35 shine in its acceleration, but most autox events have similar course layouts. Then you look and you also have professional reviewers saying the Crossfire handles better than the G35.
http://www.crossfireforum.org
I have driven the G35 on two other occasions on test drives from dealers. Drove and felt the same as at the Art of Driving event. If Chrysler had messed with the G35, it would have hurt the credibility of the Crossfire. Since the Crossfire handles better than the G35, they didn't have to mess with the G35 in any way. You can argued they messed with the G35 in the sense that the course didn't have a good straightaway to let the G35 shine in its acceleration, but most autox events have similar course layouts. Then you look and you also have professional reviewers saying the Crossfire handles better than the G35.
http://www.crossfireforum.org
#51
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
If Chrysler had messed with the G35, it would have hurt the credibility of the Crossfire.
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YAH... for sure ... if they announced it .. or it was completely obvious.... OTHERWISE it would have "enhanced" the "credibility"
but how do you know they didn't ... soooo ??? who knows!!
I DONT want to harp on this by any means ..but I am .... what can I say.
BUT HEY it supposedly handles better according to you and the "experts" ... and thank god you test drove it twice .... that means you WERE really interested.....
how bout this ..
how bout you get your crossfire ...
come to a G meet and we'll check em out...
I'd love to see one...
LET ALONE WORK IT ON THE TRACK !!!
and G35C
I plainly and simply, agree and enjoyed your post!
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YAH... for sure ... if they announced it .. or it was completely obvious.... OTHERWISE it would have "enhanced" the "credibility"
but how do you know they didn't ... soooo ??? who knows!!
I DONT want to harp on this by any means ..but I am .... what can I say.
BUT HEY it supposedly handles better according to you and the "experts" ... and thank god you test drove it twice .... that means you WERE really interested.....
how bout this ..
how bout you get your crossfire ...
come to a G meet and we'll check em out...
I'd love to see one...
LET ALONE WORK IT ON THE TRACK !!!
and G35C
I plainly and simply, agree and enjoyed your post!
#52
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Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
>>Then you look and you also have professional reviewers saying the Crossfire handles better than the G35<<
Although I've posted that yes the Crossfire does seem to get better numbers in handling from professional reviewers that doesn't mean it "handles" better in the sense of vehicle dynamics. MOST editors seem to say steering feel is numb and not as precise as it's competitors. It's good numbers are due to it's sticky Z rated tires and huge wheels. I know lots of people don't put too much stock in edmunds but this editor seems to have the gist of what most other reviewers from various mags say about the Crossfire in comparison to it's competition.
edmunds:
---Road Test Editor Erin Riches says:
The Crossfire was not a car I expected to fall in love with — the sheet metal is a little too pretty, I feel, for my understated personality, and frankly, I didn't think 215 horsepower would be enough to make the car entertaining. After spending a couple hours with our test car, though, I came away liking it more than I thought I would. Indeed, the engine was a bit of a disappointment, as it felt good only around 3,000 to 4,000 rpm, but I certainly enjoyed the slick-shifting manual transmission. The ride is comfortable for a car with a sporting demeanor, and it's a lot quieter than that of any other Chrysler product. What's more, the tight suspension and meaty Michelin Pilots made the Crossfire a lot of fun to drive hard on twisty roads. It didn't have the precision of the Infiniti G35 coupe, and I definitely wouldn't have minded a little more communication from the steering, but considering that most people who buy the Crossfire won't be hard-core enthusiasts, its handling package is just fine.---
in essense it's not a hard core "drivers" sports car and can't compete with the driving feel and dynamics of a Z4/boxter/350z/G35/RX8. due to the older suspension from an SLK and it's big wheels bogging down the already weakish engine. It's more a rolling art piece that has high HANDLING LIMITS rather than one that has great handling feel.
Although I've posted that yes the Crossfire does seem to get better numbers in handling from professional reviewers that doesn't mean it "handles" better in the sense of vehicle dynamics. MOST editors seem to say steering feel is numb and not as precise as it's competitors. It's good numbers are due to it's sticky Z rated tires and huge wheels. I know lots of people don't put too much stock in edmunds but this editor seems to have the gist of what most other reviewers from various mags say about the Crossfire in comparison to it's competition.
edmunds:
---Road Test Editor Erin Riches says:
The Crossfire was not a car I expected to fall in love with — the sheet metal is a little too pretty, I feel, for my understated personality, and frankly, I didn't think 215 horsepower would be enough to make the car entertaining. After spending a couple hours with our test car, though, I came away liking it more than I thought I would. Indeed, the engine was a bit of a disappointment, as it felt good only around 3,000 to 4,000 rpm, but I certainly enjoyed the slick-shifting manual transmission. The ride is comfortable for a car with a sporting demeanor, and it's a lot quieter than that of any other Chrysler product. What's more, the tight suspension and meaty Michelin Pilots made the Crossfire a lot of fun to drive hard on twisty roads. It didn't have the precision of the Infiniti G35 coupe, and I definitely wouldn't have minded a little more communication from the steering, but considering that most people who buy the Crossfire won't be hard-core enthusiasts, its handling package is just fine.---
in essense it's not a hard core "drivers" sports car and can't compete with the driving feel and dynamics of a Z4/boxter/350z/G35/RX8. due to the older suspension from an SLK and it's big wheels bogging down the already weakish engine. It's more a rolling art piece that has high HANDLING LIMITS rather than one that has great handling feel.
#53
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
mightyjlr,
I hope you aren't buying the crossfire strictly based on it's handling. If you are, the difference is not that significant (skidpad .01 greater in the xfire). I don't want to take anything away from your excitement, but the fact that you are coming into the G forum to make yourself feel better is a bit interesting.
First you said it's not that much slower than the G, even though it's a whole second slower, if not more. I bet you they'll be doing review of these three cars, as soon as the crossfire hits the market. We'll see how the G stacks up then. Once again, I don't want to bash you for your choice, but please stop trying to convince yourself that you made a good choice in the G forum.
Happy driving.
I hope you aren't buying the crossfire strictly based on it's handling. If you are, the difference is not that significant (skidpad .01 greater in the xfire). I don't want to take anything away from your excitement, but the fact that you are coming into the G forum to make yourself feel better is a bit interesting.
First you said it's not that much slower than the G, even though it's a whole second slower, if not more. I bet you they'll be doing review of these three cars, as soon as the crossfire hits the market. We'll see how the G stacks up then. Once again, I don't want to bash you for your choice, but please stop trying to convince yourself that you made a good choice in the G forum.
Happy driving.
#54
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
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in essense it's not a hard core "drivers" sports car and can't compete with the driving feel and dynamics of a Z4/boxter/350z/G35/RX8. due to the older suspension from an SLK and it's big wheels bogging down the already weakish engine. It's more a rolling art piece that has high HANDLING LIMITS rather than one that has great handling feel.
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Well said. I think that sums it up nicely.
in essense it's not a hard core "drivers" sports car and can't compete with the driving feel and dynamics of a Z4/boxter/350z/G35/RX8. due to the older suspension from an SLK and it's big wheels bogging down the already weakish engine. It's more a rolling art piece that has high HANDLING LIMITS rather than one that has great handling feel.
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Well said. I think that sums it up nicely.
#56
Re: G35C or Crossfire or RX8?
On this board we'll compare anything! LOL! After all, part of comparing is contrasting.
So it seems the general consensus is if you love the looks, only need 2 seats, don't really care about the (relative) power loss or loose steering, don't mind paying a little extra, like American/German engineering crossbreeds, then get the Crossfire.
Hmmm... still can't see it.
"Moderation in all things, including moderation."
So it seems the general consensus is if you love the looks, only need 2 seats, don't really care about the (relative) power loss or loose steering, don't mind paying a little extra, like American/German engineering crossbreeds, then get the Crossfire.
Hmmm... still can't see it.
"Moderation in all things, including moderation."
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