Ok this is my second time, I tried to turn left in the intersection and add gas after the first 45 degrees turn, my G slipped on me, the first time there was a SUV rite beside me, lucky didn't slip thru too much, I quickly hold back my steering wheel tight. My second time (just happen this afternoon) was worse, good thing no car beside, but it slips like winter with snow on the ground...

Is it my driving problem? If yes OK dun nag me, I'll re-adjust my driving habit AGAIN...

[b][i]G35cp-5AT+PerformPk+Silverstone/graphite+AllTinted
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Did you have VDC on or off?

This car has a habit that can bite you in the right situation. Because the power really comes on around 3500-4000, rpm you can experience the rear wheels getting loose as you accelerate out of a turn if its a sharp corner and the traction is less than perfect. I can feel my VDC kick in a lot when I am goofing around. Just change your timing to allow for full throttle once you are well past the apex and you should be fine.

 

Ditto.

Brake before the turn.

Add just enough power to rock her back on the back wheels. This will keep the VDC from pulsing the outside front wheel and allow you to get a little "push". The amount of squeal from the "push" will give you a good feel for how much you are attacking the turn.

Then carefully add power as you come out of the turn. If you punch it you may lose the back end. Don't worry about losing the front because of the "push". The rear will let loose first.

Of course, nothing can help if the rear end hits debris and gets loose on you. All you can do then is collect the "G" with steering and throttle (or let the VDC do it's thing if it is on).

Screamin' Daemon

 

i've noticed the same thing more often now, i think it may also have to do with the amount of tread left on the tire.

03 G35 coupe SS (GD) 6spd everything but navi
02 QX4 pearl white
00 528 Silver on black

 

Depending upon the brand/style of tire you're riding on, the higher temperatures have a lot to do with the "stickiness" of the tires.

Tire styles: Summer, All Season & Winter.

Temperatures: Summer, Autumn, Winter & Spring.

Soft compounds, mixed compounds & hard compounds. Dry tread pattern, wet tread pattern, snow tread pattern (and mudders for you stump jumpers).

My Michelin Pilot Sport All Season tires are a mixture of compounds and tread patterns. With the roads at high temperatures they don't stick as well as the soft compound "summer" tires. They also have more tread blocks and hence less total "surface" area in contact with the road as compared to "summer" tires. So they tend to slip more at this time of year than they do during spring/autumn. But they do have blocks, sips and a tread pattern designed for wet/snow conditions and their compound doesn't get too hard during cold conditions. I can drive them with some degree of confidence all year round. But, you don't drive "winter" tires in "summer" and vice versa without taking risks.

I've never gotten more than 20,000 miles out of a set of GoodYear Eagles. Whereas Michelin's 400 tread wear rating is well earned. I've never replaced a set of Michelins because of tread wear. Only because of an irrepairable puncture, a slashed tire or when trading in for a new car (when I buy another set of Michelins to replace the BFGs or GoodYears).

Screamin' Daemon

 

the other day it was raining ....

I am comfortable (supposedly) behind the wheel ...

so I'm makin the left and hit the gas for a nice semi 180 degree drift out of the turn ... and wammmmo ...

I was FULLY sitting the opposite direction ... a full 180 ... TOO MUCH GAS >> TOO MUCH SPIN

good thing it was 3am and noone around ... cause that could have been worse..

FRICKIN RUM !!

nothin happened ... just a lil scare thats all

CAREFUL

 

Alot of it is due to the tread on your tire...Mine did it the other day but i had my vdc turned off...

The sky is the limit
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I was out in the rain this morning (Sunday). An unusual event since I can stay home in inclement, dirty weather.
Anyway was driving home in the rain and decided to turn off the VDC on the car to 'test' things out. I know from experience that the wheels will break loose fairly easily (with VDC off) from low speed on wet surface but I had another test in mind.: Full throttle shifting from 1 to 2 in the fat part of the torque band. I left easily so as not to spin, accelerated to shift point at about 5500 ( a little behond max torque, but closer to max horse power) selected '2' and just as promptly started sliding sideways! WTF! Car was only travelling at about 35 to 40 mph and it immediately recovered when I released the gas and steered toward the skid. But it surprised me. I prolly should have tried a 2-3 shift first and may have even broken the wheels loose at that speed too.
I've driven fairly aggressively in the wet b4 with the Coupe and the Sedan with the VDC on and not noticed any sliding issues whatsover. Of course the only thing you do see if you go too far is the slip light blinking, and the funny grinding/pulsing noise of the ABS functioning.
I would not recomment turning off the VDC in wet conditions, expecially if you drive a little aggressively now like I do, and is so much fun to do in these cars. As Gumpdriver says, the tires' condition has a lot to do with it too.
Hey DC, I know the feeling bro. Can happen so quickly LOL.
Safe and happy G'ing...........

<font color=red>GSM</font color=red> <font color=black>Silverstone Coupe</font color=black>

 

if you slip, that means your tires are still cold...be careful. It takes about 10 minutes of driving for your tires to get warmed up. (warmer rubber becomes more like glue)

<font color=green>-Rambo</font color=green>
G35c 6MT DG/Willow/Grounding Kit

 

Yea, I think all are possible answers. Plus this is my first time driving rear wheels, so, dunno how to handle that's all. My friend said no matter what, I shouldn't add gas when turning.
1st, it's rear wheel dr,
2nd, it's 280hp for a girl,
3rd and most of all I am driving too fast and too aggressive when I am in my G.

So... I'll drive more careful and re-adjust my driving habits. Thanx guys.

[b][i]G35cp-5AT+PerformPk+Silverstone/graphite+AllTinted
See me? Light twice, honk once then smile

 

prettyprincez,
Do you have a pick of you, I mean your G? It seems like we have identical setups, with the exception of the tint. I was thinking of tinting my G, so would like to see what it would look like. Thanks.

 

Hey PP....you can press the gas when you turn, just dont be in 1st or 2nd gear and PUNCHING it thats all...just be in 2nd or 3rd gear and lightly press the gas.
Drive safely!!

<font color=green>-Rambo</font color=green>
G35c 6MT DG/Willow/Grounding Kit

 

Pretty,
Many good points from others, but you didn't answer the q ref VDC- on or off when this happened???

Point ref tire temp is very important- to get the treadwear rating as high as 220 on their flagship performance tire, Michelin has taken their F1 experience and used a compound which really demands that you put some heat into them before having fun. (2 family members are Michelin employees, so I've enjoyed every Michelin performance tire made in the last 12 years. For reference, Michelin's previous best effort, the Pilot MXX3 had a wear rating of 180- far shorter lived).

To make that corner cleanly, less abrupt throttle is key, while still pushing hard. Think smooth.

Keep the VDC ON, while you get to know the limits of traction and discover some of the car's idiosyncracies. That big blast around 3500 rpm is one good example, where the variable valve timing lets the car really breathe. Another is the mild to moderate traction limit understeer.

VDC will take care of you with shockingly great results. If in the situation you describe, the VDC was in fact on, the throttle would have been taken out of your hands (foot), the brakes would have been applied selectively- you'll hear a low growl from the car, and the car will go right where you point it with the steering wheel (notwithstanding unrealistic turn entry).

This is key:

The car will go where you point it. So when you think the car is snapping around, DO NOT CORRECT EXCESSIVELY. I found out this the hard way this spring around at minus ten celsius on cold tires.
On a long sweeper turn, I tried to countersteer when the car snapped under hard acceleration. Of course the VDC was trying to take care of me, so my countersteer was the next thing the VDC tried to fix as the tail was sliding, so it responded and I had the tail now out the other way, so I countersteered, and and the VDC responded, and I countersteered, and .... If someone was watching, man I looked stupid, wagging my tail for about 200 metres down the road. Fortunately, no traffic. My passenger, of course was white knuckled and wanting to get off this ride.
I've tried really hard, even on snow and ice- imo, you cannot spin the car with the VDC on. (Anyone else had any luck getting a 360 out of the car with the VDC on?)

It's really hard for a driver to just sit there while they feel the back end going loose in a hurry, but the correct response with the VDC on is to point the car around the turn with only a smooth minor correction when necessary- I've hammered that same sweeper I described earlier at an insane pace, without upsetting the car, using the technique suggested. I showed three of my nieces and nephews last night in fact, just for fun (They now tink the G is the coolest car ever. I pray they don't tell their parents about our little ride ;o) )

Turning the VDC off is overrated. Schumacher, Montoya, and the boys don't shut off their electronic driver aids.

Sorry so long, but hopefully this helps.

Cheers,
Derek

DB