Am I Getting Ripped Off...
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I have tried lots of different dealerships, this is the best price. The problem is, the residual value of the car is what kills me. After 3 years, it is predicted that the car is worth 51% of its residual value (the typical BMW/Mercedes is worth 60-65%). The car is a fully-loaded G35 Coupe 6MT (MSRP is $37,500). The lease price is high for this car, but it is because of the residual value and the low supply/high demand of this car. I know it's still high, but whatever, I don't have to justify why I am doing this lease...to me, it is worth it, this car is really freaking sick. Now all I have to do is sit on my *** and wait. =)
Re: Am I Getting Ripped Off...
I am paying $540 and my residual value was exactly as you were quoted (51%). There is a $2,000 difference in the price of the car between yours and mine, but that should translate into a close to $100 extra/month. If you are willing to pay that much, more power to you, and sorry for under estimating you as a true G fanatic.
G35 Coupe. Diamond Graphite, Graphite, Premium and wheel and Tire package. Zaino Baby.
G35 Coupe. Diamond Graphite, Graphite, Premium and wheel and Tire package. Zaino Baby.
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I went to the dealership today and confirmed everything. They are buying my Jetta for $14,000 (and my Jetta buy-back, which is on a lease, is $17,366). I signed the paperwork and all that crap, so on Monday night, the salesman is going to deliver the car to my house in which I give him my Jetta + $3,366 (Jetta buy-back) + $630 (first month's payment) and I'm good to go! I can't freaking wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's great you're getting a G coupe. I know you'll love it. I hate to dampen your excitement though, but I think you should take a hard look at the math on your lease deal...
Your G35C sticker price is $37,500
Minus $14,000 trade in of Jetta (never mind the buy-back diff - that's a separate deal)
Net price of G35 = $23,500
NJ sales tax (not sure of % but I'll guess 6.5) = $1527
Misc fees = approx $250
Total price = $25,277
Your lease payment of $630/mo, x 39 months = $24,570. So aside from interest, which is very low these days, you're paying only $707 less than the total price of the car, and you have to give it back in 39 months!
Interest at, let's say, 3.75% on $25,277 over a 39 month period is about $1540 by my (rough) calculations, so the total cost (if a 39 month loan were available, which they aren't, but 36 or 48 month ones are) would be $26,817, or $688/mo, after which you would own the car outright. After 39 months it might be reasonable to expect that it would be worth about $17-20K.
So, using this math, you're saving $58 a month in payments vs the hypothetical 39 month financed purchase, or $2622 over the 39 month term, but losing the entire $17-20K in residual value at the end. Even if you estimate the resid value at a more conservative $15K you're still over $12K in the hole with the lease plan, and as much as $17K in the hole with the less conservative numbers. Needless to say, neither of those figures are anywhere near trivial.
I hope someone will correct me if somehow my numbers are way off, but this lease deal sounds like nothing short of a cash cow for Ramsey Infiniti and a really lousy deal for you. You seem like a nice guy MrE, and I hate to rain on your parade, but I just felt I had to try to run the numbers for you. I hope your deal ends up turning out well...
I went to the dealership today and confirmed everything. They are buying my Jetta for $14,000 (and my Jetta buy-back, which is on a lease, is $17,366). I signed the paperwork and all that crap, so on Monday night, the salesman is going to deliver the car to my house in which I give him my Jetta + $3,366 (Jetta buy-back) + $630 (first month's payment) and I'm good to go! I can't freaking wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's great you're getting a G coupe. I know you'll love it. I hate to dampen your excitement though, but I think you should take a hard look at the math on your lease deal...
Your G35C sticker price is $37,500
Minus $14,000 trade in of Jetta (never mind the buy-back diff - that's a separate deal)
Net price of G35 = $23,500
NJ sales tax (not sure of % but I'll guess 6.5) = $1527
Misc fees = approx $250
Total price = $25,277
Your lease payment of $630/mo, x 39 months = $24,570. So aside from interest, which is very low these days, you're paying only $707 less than the total price of the car, and you have to give it back in 39 months!
Interest at, let's say, 3.75% on $25,277 over a 39 month period is about $1540 by my (rough) calculations, so the total cost (if a 39 month loan were available, which they aren't, but 36 or 48 month ones are) would be $26,817, or $688/mo, after which you would own the car outright. After 39 months it might be reasonable to expect that it would be worth about $17-20K.
So, using this math, you're saving $58 a month in payments vs the hypothetical 39 month financed purchase, or $2622 over the 39 month term, but losing the entire $17-20K in residual value at the end. Even if you estimate the resid value at a more conservative $15K you're still over $12K in the hole with the lease plan, and as much as $17K in the hole with the less conservative numbers. Needless to say, neither of those figures are anywhere near trivial.
I hope someone will correct me if somehow my numbers are way off, but this lease deal sounds like nothing short of a cash cow for Ramsey Infiniti and a really lousy deal for you. You seem like a nice guy MrE, and I hate to rain on your parade, but I just felt I had to try to run the numbers for you. I hope your deal ends up turning out well...
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BMW3toG35C, I don't think he was trading-in the Jetta. That's what I thought at first, and I was trying to figure out why he was paying such a high rate with the trade-in. I think they are buying his Jetta that's still on a lease. His buy-back on the current lease is 17,336. They are paying him $14,000 for the Jetta, which leaves him 3,366 short. As he said, he is giving them the Jetta + $3,366.
MrElussive, I just thought of something: You might be paying such a high monthly payment because of your credit. I have a perfect credit (knock on wood), and got a very low rate on my lease. So, if your credit is bad, then you might have gotten a high interest rate.
G35 Coupe. Diamond Graphite, Graphite, Premium and wheel and Tire package. Zaino Baby.
MrElussive, I just thought of something: You might be paying such a high monthly payment because of your credit. I have a perfect credit (knock on wood), and got a very low rate on my lease. So, if your credit is bad, then you might have gotten a high interest rate.
G35 Coupe. Diamond Graphite, Graphite, Premium and wheel and Tire package. Zaino Baby.
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Thanks guys, but I have good intentions with the moves I made. I know that it is much smarter to buy this car, but I was really inclined to lease this time. I shouldn't have gotten the Jetta involved in this, because it just makes things complex but I will clear up the confusion on the Jetta. My Jetta is on its 10th month of its 36 month lease (Yes, I hate it that much). Now to get rid of it, I have to buy it from VW Credit and sell it. Infiniti is taking care of that whole process for me. The buy-back is $17,366 and Infiniti is giving me $14,000 for my Jetta. So basically when they deliver the car, they are picking up my Jetta and I am going to give them $3,366 (17,366 - 14,000) cash. So basically, the Jetta buy-back is a separate deal and does not affect the lease price of the G35C. Due to the 51% residual, the lease price is high. Also, my father is flawless credit but he is also leasing 5 cars at a time so he does not get the best rate because of that. I should make it clear that I am not happy at all with this $630/month lease payment...I initially refused it...they wanted $653/month initially for 39 months and I just told them no and that the deal was off. But then they called back offering $630/month and I just said okay because I really have my heart set on this G35 Coupe (Black on Black 6MT). I chose to lease in the end because I just don't like to deal with selling cars, especially if I get into any accidents that lower the value of the car (not that I plan to, but hey, ya never know). Oh well, when I have the car in my hands, the annoyance of the high lease price will quickly...very quickly fade away.
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