the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
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Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
amen hachi, amen
and not everyone hasto be biased, i respect other peoples cars, one of the moderators traded in his car for an STi i think only myself and one other person congratulated him on his purchase.
theres lots of new cars out there, some of them are really great.
-moooooo
and not everyone hasto be biased, i respect other peoples cars, one of the moderators traded in his car for an STi i think only myself and one other person congratulated him on his purchase.
theres lots of new cars out there, some of them are really great.
-moooooo
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08-12-2003, 11:40 AM
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Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
well i don't know what altitude that test was performed at but I personally got a 14.4 stock with my SEDAN at 1700 ft (corrected altitude-Phoenix).
if that test was at less than 2000 feet (most of the US), than they didn't push the G very hard.
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if that test was at less than 2000 feet (most of the US), than they didn't push the G very hard.
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08-12-2003, 11:52 AM
Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
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Car and driver has the G35c 6mt doing 60mph in 5.5. In order to get those times out of the RX8 you have to rev the heck out of the thing and dump the clutch. I dont remember what the 5-60 is for the rx8 but it is CONSIDERABLYslower since it has no torque and you cant dump the clutch.
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In the April '03 C&D:
0-60: G35C; 5.5, RX8; 5.9
5-60: G35C; 6.2, RX8; 7.5!
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about the RX8's real world performance I don't know what would. A .4 sec deficit vs the G to 60 from a stop grows to a 1.3 sec deficit from a running start! Can you say "massive wheelspin to get the numbers"? Can you say "forget about clutch/rear tire life if you want that kind of speed"? The RX8 takes more than twice as much additional time to 60 from 5MPH than the G did compared to the standing start. So the only time you'll see the RX8 even close to the G is if you're willing to thrash the crap out of it.
Here are some more interesting stats from the same article:
The G does the 1/4 mile in 14.2 sec at 100 MPH, in 4th gear, and the RX8 does it in 14.5 sec at 96 MPH, also in 4th. Pretty close, right? The problem is that it takes the RX8 another 1.3 sec to get from 96 to 100 (still in 4th)!. Is there something wrong with that picture or what??
It looks suspiciously like "magazine test gearing" to me, designed to produce good ink to the 0-60 and 1/4 mile points, and never mind the rest...
Car and driver has the G35c 6mt doing 60mph in 5.5. In order to get those times out of the RX8 you have to rev the heck out of the thing and dump the clutch. I dont remember what the 5-60 is for the rx8 but it is CONSIDERABLYslower since it has no torque and you cant dump the clutch.
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In the April '03 C&D:
0-60: G35C; 5.5, RX8; 5.9
5-60: G35C; 6.2, RX8; 7.5!
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about the RX8's real world performance I don't know what would. A .4 sec deficit vs the G to 60 from a stop grows to a 1.3 sec deficit from a running start! Can you say "massive wheelspin to get the numbers"? Can you say "forget about clutch/rear tire life if you want that kind of speed"? The RX8 takes more than twice as much additional time to 60 from 5MPH than the G did compared to the standing start. So the only time you'll see the RX8 even close to the G is if you're willing to thrash the crap out of it.
Here are some more interesting stats from the same article:
The G does the 1/4 mile in 14.2 sec at 100 MPH, in 4th gear, and the RX8 does it in 14.5 sec at 96 MPH, also in 4th. Pretty close, right? The problem is that it takes the RX8 another 1.3 sec to get from 96 to 100 (still in 4th)!. Is there something wrong with that picture or what??
It looks suspiciously like "magazine test gearing" to me, designed to produce good ink to the 0-60 and 1/4 mile points, and never mind the rest...
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08-12-2003, 01:28 PM
Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
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In the April '03 C&D:
0-60: G35C; 5.5, RX8; 5.9
5-60: G35C; 6.2, RX8; 7.5!
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about the RX8's real world performance I don't know what would. A .4 sec deficit vs the G to 60 from a stop grows to a 1.3 sec deficit from a running start! Can you say "massive wheelspin to get the numbers"? Can you say "forget about clutch/rear tire life if you want that kind of speed"? The RX8 takes more than twice as much additional time to 60 from 5MPH than the G did compared to the standing start. So the only time you'll see the RX8 even close to the G is if you're willing to thrash the crap out of it.
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Well, let's be careful with phrases like "real world performance." This does confirm that the RX-8 needs to do unhealthy things to the tranny in order to make good 0-60 times. Which most of us knew. But what does driving at 5mph have to do with performance? Nobody drives at 5mph on a track, not even autocross, so who cares about its performance at 5mph? As long as its near its powerband in first gear (15-20mph?), it should be competitive. And the only place 0mph matters is in extremely short races, like drag racing. The Mustang Cobra clobbered them both in that regard, but I'd be curious to see how well it keeps up on a track.
That said, the RX-8 didn't keep up with the G at all in that one video we've seen of them head-to-head at a Japanese track. They could have had a bad car on a bad day, but that's better evidence of real world performance to me.
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In the April '03 C&D:
0-60: G35C; 5.5, RX8; 5.9
5-60: G35C; 6.2, RX8; 7.5!
If that doesn't tell you all you need to know about the RX8's real world performance I don't know what would. A .4 sec deficit vs the G to 60 from a stop grows to a 1.3 sec deficit from a running start! Can you say "massive wheelspin to get the numbers"? Can you say "forget about clutch/rear tire life if you want that kind of speed"? The RX8 takes more than twice as much additional time to 60 from 5MPH than the G did compared to the standing start. So the only time you'll see the RX8 even close to the G is if you're willing to thrash the crap out of it.
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Well, let's be careful with phrases like "real world performance." This does confirm that the RX-8 needs to do unhealthy things to the tranny in order to make good 0-60 times. Which most of us knew. But what does driving at 5mph have to do with performance? Nobody drives at 5mph on a track, not even autocross, so who cares about its performance at 5mph? As long as its near its powerband in first gear (15-20mph?), it should be competitive. And the only place 0mph matters is in extremely short races, like drag racing. The Mustang Cobra clobbered them both in that regard, but I'd be curious to see how well it keeps up on a track.
That said, the RX-8 didn't keep up with the G at all in that one video we've seen of them head-to-head at a Japanese track. They could have had a bad car on a bad day, but that's better evidence of real world performance to me.
-Jack
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08-12-2003, 02:57 PM
Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
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Well, let's be careful with phrases like "real world performance." This does confirm that the RX-8 needs to do unhealthy things to the tranny in order to make good 0-60 times. Which most of us knew. But what does driving at 5mph have to do with performance? Nobody drives at 5mph on a track, not even autocross, so who cares about its performance at 5mph? As long as its near its powerband in first gear (15-20mph?), it should be competitive. And the only place 0mph matters is in extremely short races, like drag racing.
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What I meant by "real world performance" is that most people don't make a common practice of tire-smoking clutch drops to get their cars up to speed (I know... some of you do...), so it seems to me the "real-er" performance comparison (on public roads anyway) is the 5-60 one. It's not to imply that people spend much time driving 5MPH, but we all have to get through that speed on the way up from a stop, and in higher gears we might not always keep our engines in the ideal power band. In the absence of a boatload of wheelspin or obsessive tach-watching, it's gonna take a lot more effort to get around fast in the RX8.
The disparity between the two cars' 0-60 vs 5-60 times as well as the 1/4 mile vs 0-100 times suggests that the G35C will handily outrun an RX8 in all but the most narrowly defined kinds of circumstances you describe, e.g. "near its powerband", where the G will still win anyway, as it does from a stop even with the RX generating massive wheelspin. Instead of "real world performance" maybe I should have said "in less than ideal circumstances, and/or in less than 10/10ths driving".
Speaking for myself, I almost never spin the wheels more than a tiny bit, and almost never rev-drop the clutch from a stop. That's my real world anyway, although I do enjoy flooring the throttle fairly often. On the other hand, I'm 51years old, so your mileage may vary...
Well, let's be careful with phrases like "real world performance." This does confirm that the RX-8 needs to do unhealthy things to the tranny in order to make good 0-60 times. Which most of us knew. But what does driving at 5mph have to do with performance? Nobody drives at 5mph on a track, not even autocross, so who cares about its performance at 5mph? As long as its near its powerband in first gear (15-20mph?), it should be competitive. And the only place 0mph matters is in extremely short races, like drag racing.
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What I meant by "real world performance" is that most people don't make a common practice of tire-smoking clutch drops to get their cars up to speed (I know... some of you do...), so it seems to me the "real-er" performance comparison (on public roads anyway) is the 5-60 one. It's not to imply that people spend much time driving 5MPH, but we all have to get through that speed on the way up from a stop, and in higher gears we might not always keep our engines in the ideal power band. In the absence of a boatload of wheelspin or obsessive tach-watching, it's gonna take a lot more effort to get around fast in the RX8.
The disparity between the two cars' 0-60 vs 5-60 times as well as the 1/4 mile vs 0-100 times suggests that the G35C will handily outrun an RX8 in all but the most narrowly defined kinds of circumstances you describe, e.g. "near its powerband", where the G will still win anyway, as it does from a stop even with the RX generating massive wheelspin. Instead of "real world performance" maybe I should have said "in less than ideal circumstances, and/or in less than 10/10ths driving".
Speaking for myself, I almost never spin the wheels more than a tiny bit, and almost never rev-drop the clutch from a stop. That's my real world anyway, although I do enjoy flooring the throttle fairly often. On the other hand, I'm 51years old, so your mileage may vary...
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08-13-2003, 09:03 AM
Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
R&T is the most pathetic rag on the planet. You're better off reading Consumer Reports - LOL. They are THAT bad. What are you doing reading that POS pathetic excuse for a car magazine anyway?
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True on the real world driving. I've owned some turbos in the past and that is what I hated about them. Someone would come up beside you and take off. They would leave me in the dust because I didn't have the turbo spooled up enough, even though I had the faster car 0-60 if I wanted to eventually ruin my clutch.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by SBoden on 08/13/03 07:19 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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08-14-2003, 12:25 PM
Re: the RX8 is faster than a 6MTG35
Hey, SBoden don't get misty about NOT blowing up your turbo, fer cryin' out loud! Being wallet-smart is nothin' to apologze for. It wouldn't have been just your clutch that would've gone with you racing off the line with all those bozos, and you know it. I've seen the repair sheets on blown turbo engines; I luv lookin' at zeros in front of the the decimal point. On someone else's charge card.
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08-14-2003, 10:49 PM
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I saw an RX8 in person today. It was a silver one. It looks a little bit better than it is in pictures. I just saw the back, and it wasn't that impressive (looked like the S2000). Too bad I couldn't race him, since he was going in a different direction. Otherwise, I could have put all this debate to rest. A time will come...
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08-16-2003, 02:39 AM
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I guess the counter is the road test in the April Car and Driver. Both cars tested on the same venue the same day resulted in the RX-8 being rated higher, but was both slower in a straight line and at the track. No, the RX-8 is not faster. In the article they made a big comment about the only way to get a good time was an 8000 rpm dump. Even at that, over 100 the RX-8 is left in the dust. This is though only relative to how you look at it.
The RX-8 is a lot lighter than a G. I think the comments about it being like an S2000 are more than just close. This week, I took my Miata in for its final warranty service. The warranty is ending next week and coincidentally, tomorrow it is being sold to make room for the new G. My service adviser was telling about how I should drive the RX-8 before settling on my G.
So, I test drove one. It does handle well, although I don't feel it handles better than the G. It was hard to get the back end around under anything other than hard braking while turning. it doesn't have a lot of torque. In fact, the Renisys motor feels exactly like the S2000's 4 cylinder. It feels completely flat from 3000 rpms on up to 9000 rpms. It never really pulls hard, it just keeps on revving. I am an old V8 guy and the one thing I hated about the Miata was the lack of power. After driving 2 S2000s as potential replacements for the Miata, I just don't fit in them and I still feel the need for more power. They just don't feel much faster than the Miata and unless I am constantly revving the engine up close to the limit, it isn't. The RX-8 follows the same feel. The dealer is telling me about how it handles like a Miata. After autocrossing and doing track events over the last 3 years in a Miata, I can easily say the RX-8 does not handle like a Miata. It doesn't have the looseness of a 3rd gen RX-7 either. It is more nimble than a G, but it is far from the tossability of the miata. It is tighter inside than I would like and while I like the big tach, I don't like the small digital speedo. I am also not crazy about the looks of it. There isn't a single angle that looks right to me. It is a little surprising because I love every line of my Miata. The bottom line is I am still happy to be waiting for my G. Probably the people who would like the RX-8 the most are S2000 owners who love their cars, but want more room.
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The RX-8 is a lot lighter than a G. I think the comments about it being like an S2000 are more than just close. This week, I took my Miata in for its final warranty service. The warranty is ending next week and coincidentally, tomorrow it is being sold to make room for the new G. My service adviser was telling about how I should drive the RX-8 before settling on my G.
So, I test drove one. It does handle well, although I don't feel it handles better than the G. It was hard to get the back end around under anything other than hard braking while turning. it doesn't have a lot of torque. In fact, the Renisys motor feels exactly like the S2000's 4 cylinder. It feels completely flat from 3000 rpms on up to 9000 rpms. It never really pulls hard, it just keeps on revving. I am an old V8 guy and the one thing I hated about the Miata was the lack of power. After driving 2 S2000s as potential replacements for the Miata, I just don't fit in them and I still feel the need for more power. They just don't feel much faster than the Miata and unless I am constantly revving the engine up close to the limit, it isn't. The RX-8 follows the same feel. The dealer is telling me about how it handles like a Miata. After autocrossing and doing track events over the last 3 years in a Miata, I can easily say the RX-8 does not handle like a Miata. It doesn't have the looseness of a 3rd gen RX-7 either. It is more nimble than a G, but it is far from the tossability of the miata. It is tighter inside than I would like and while I like the big tach, I don't like the small digital speedo. I am also not crazy about the looks of it. There isn't a single angle that looks right to me. It is a little surprising because I love every line of my Miata. The bottom line is I am still happy to be waiting for my G. Probably the people who would like the RX-8 the most are S2000 owners who love their cars, but want more room.
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