e-fan conversion - dyno results!
#46
09-06-2006, 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by trey's wife
OK $180-$250 is a big range. 
I'll try to get with DaveO this evening and find out what the exact parts are. I'm very curious where the cost lies. The time isn't too bad though.
I'll try to get with DaveO this evening and find out what the exact parts are. I'm very curious where the cost lies. The time isn't too bad though.Dave0 says
I'd plan on between $350.00 and $500.00 depending on the option you choose.
Parts from Summit Racing Equipment (www.summitracing.com)
- flex-a-lite (dual) 220's (FLX-220)
- Variable speed controller (VSC)
- add-a-circuit (mini) (from auto-zone)
aprox $290 total parts cost.
- flex-a-lite (dual) 220's (FLX-220)
- Variable speed controller (VSC)
- add-a-circuit (mini) (from auto-zone)
aprox $290 total parts cost.
#47
09-06-2006, 01:20 PM
#48
09-06-2006, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by trey's wife
OK $180-$250 is a big range. I'll try to get with DaveO this evening and find out what the exact parts are. I'm very curious where the cost lies. The time isn't too bad though.
I'll try to get with DaveO this evening and find out what the exact parts are. I'm very curious where the cost lies. The time isn't too bad though.
#49
09-06-2006, 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by DaveB
Dyno? My friend dynoed his Type I and he could get the dyno to start at around 3300-3500rpms.
It's my understanding that Type I autoboxes work a bit differently, and *some* have exhibited odd behaviors with the torque converter on dynos. It's not uncommon for anything below 4000rpms to be invalid. And I think that's also the cause for the looping artifacts displayed in andy's plots.
#50
09-06-2006, 01:56 PM
Looping could be the tranny changing gears. That's the thing about autos. It's hard to keep the damn thing from downshifting. You can of course keep it from upshifting by selecting 3rd gear or 4th gear etc... But keeping it from downshifting when going WOT is the problem.
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
#51
09-07-2006, 10:56 AM
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09-07-2006, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveB
It's a lot more expensive than I thought.
Dave0 says
Andy did it for $290
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92699
Dave0 says
Andy did it for $290
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92699
andy was smart using the flex-a-lite duals.
low in cost if one does their research.
#53
09-07-2006, 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Looping could be the tranny changing gears. That's the thing about autos. It's hard to keep the damn thing from downshifting. You can of course keep it from upshifting by selecting 3rd gear or 4th gear etc... But keeping it from downshifting when going WOT is the problem.
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
I agree on the looping, it looks like a gear change.
As for the torque management, the 04.5 and 05 loaners I've had seem to have it too. If not a little worse. The loaners 5ATs felt more responsive, but the cars did seem slower, especially above 5000rpms. And this was before I had added the spacer. I don't believe in "freak" cars and I know my G isn't any special, but it sure feels like it has better legs above 60mph than loaners I've had.
Last edited by DaveB; 09-07-2006 at 02:41 PM.
#54
09-07-2006, 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by PWStudent
andy was smart using the flex-a-lite duals.
low in cost if one does their research.
low in cost if one does their research.
Believe me, if a dyno comparison truely showed this setup making the gains claimed (~8-10whp), then I'd do it in a second and I'd happily eat my words and publically admit I was wrong. I'm a big boy, I can handle it and admit I make a mistakes all the time. All I ask is a before dyno and an after dyno. Same machine and under similiar conditions. Andy tried to give us some good information, but his dyno operator seems to lacking when it comes to consistency.
#55
09-07-2006, 02:40 PM
Ok I talked to DaveO yesterday (and got in trouble for not searching - which I really kinda deserved). According to him the cost is $375-$400. According to his information there is at least one other thread where cost is laid out fully. Given that information, I can understand why someone would not jump on it right off the bat. Now I can say that if my car were one of those affected it would be pretty high on my list of things to do. I am not of the opinion that a dyno gives a 100% picture anymore than track times give 100% picture.
Bottom line is (with any mod) - if you haven't done it yourself then you can't tell someone that it won't work. You can tell them why you doubt it will work and let them see what they think but you're being pretty damn arrogant if you tell them it can't work. Sorry, but that's exactly how I feel about it.
Disscussion of WHY things work or don't work is always a good thing. Those discussions getting to the point of "slapping" at each other doesn't serve any purpose. If you believe something - tell someone why and explain your position. Then everyone can read both sides and determine what they think. If they don't bother to read both sides of anything, do you really think they have any clue which things are right and which aren't? Seriously, people need to think for themselves not just do something (or not do it) because someone else told them they should.
Bottom line is (with any mod) - if you haven't done it yourself then you can't tell someone that it won't work. You can tell them why you doubt it will work and let them see what they think but you're being pretty damn arrogant if you tell them it can't work. Sorry, but that's exactly how I feel about it.
Disscussion of WHY things work or don't work is always a good thing. Those discussions getting to the point of "slapping" at each other doesn't serve any purpose. If you believe something - tell someone why and explain your position. Then everyone can read both sides and determine what they think. If they don't bother to read both sides of anything, do you really think they have any clue which things are right and which aren't? Seriously, people need to think for themselves not just do something (or not do it) because someone else told them they should.
#56
09-07-2006, 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Looping could be the tranny changing gears. That's the thing about autos. It's hard to keep the damn thing from downshifting. You can of course keep it from upshifting by selecting 3rd gear or 4th gear etc... But keeping it from downshifting when going WOT is the problem.
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
Plus we are all suspecting early 03 auto Gs have some idiot torque management crap under 3k also
#57
09-07-2006, 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by trey's wife
Bottom line is (with any mod) - if you haven't done it yourself then you can't tell someone that it won't work. You can tell them why you doubt it will work and let them see what they think but you're being pretty damn arrogant if you tell them it can't work. Sorry, but that's exactly how I feel about it.
#58
09-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by DaveB
Well hopefully that wasn't directed at me because not once have I said this mod will not work. All I've said is the data we currently is invalid.
#59
09-07-2006, 03:37 PM
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09-07-2006, 03:38 PM
