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How can i run STAGGERED on an AWD sedan

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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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just get a set of AXIS wheels in maxi lip http://www.axiswheels.com/wheels/wid...widetrack.html
That does look pretty sick...so they are the same size wheel with just different lip sizes? I might even consider that , could rotate tires easily
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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fo sho ^^^^
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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omg this thread turned into another **** storm.

Nissan's ATTTESTES@SSSSA!AA system could accommodate wider wheels just fine

dont worry about it

whether it is practical or not is a different story

the people on the R32/3/4 forums actually state that their is an equation of some sort that ATTESSA could accommodate a 10 or 15 percent difference. something like that
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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i need to run staggered on my fx see what happens
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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as long as the overall diameter of the wheels is the same youll be fine so if you wanted to run staggered 19s you would need a 245/35 in the front and say a 275/30 in the rear.........
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aam6906
as long as the overall diameter of the wheels is the same
Make that read "tires" instead of "wheels" and I will agree.

If you want to play with the numbers a little, try this:
http://landiss.com/files/mphvrpmG35.xls
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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In my opinion you don'y need to pull the fuse. I have been driving with the fuse in for a few days now. Spoke to a tech at the dealer and not all AWD come with a full size spare. The spare is the same rolling diameter but different width. So if Infinity is selling the AWD car with a different tire size as a spare I don't see why running an 8.5" front and a 10" rear would hurt. Now this is coming from one of the service techs at the dealer. I'm running my staggered with the fuse in for about 100 miles now and no problems yet but only local driving no highway.

The spare is for short term emergency driving. I would not consider that a good reason to think it is ok to do it all the time.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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I really dont see the wider tires in the back effecting the cars drive. Altessa is already a smart AWD right it will split the torque to wheels when ever its needed from mainly running 80R/20F. So if the rear is not loosin traction front wouldnt require to work as much. I dont know how that can be bad. And other question has
Anyone done staggered and reported a messed up drivetrain? If so please step up and enlighten us. =]
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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w/ different offsets
 
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Old Aug 11, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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what offset is perfect guys for 19x8.5F 19x9.5 or 10Rear. 245/40/19F 275/35/19R. Nothing stickin out of the rear fender. and Ofcourse and 1'' 1/2 drop
 
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iiiiiekoiiiii
I really dont see the wider tires in the back effecting the cars drive. Altessa is already a smart AWD right it will split the torque to wheels when ever its needed from mainly running 80R/20F. So if the rear is not loosin traction front wouldnt require to work as much. I dont know how that can be bad. And other question has
Anyone done staggered and reported a messed up drivetrain? If so please step up and enlighten us. =]
When the X first came out in 04 it didn't take members long for most everyone to agree that running different tire height's front and rear wasn't a good idea. What has suddenly entered the discussion to change that, I haven't seen.

Here's a cut and paste from Wikipedia on how exactly the system works, since this should be the core issue in any discussion. In the end, I don't own a X so unlike other issues I honestly don't have a vested interest in the outcome either way.


Drive to the rear wheels is constant via a tailshaft and rear differential, however drive to the front wheels is more complex by utilizing a transfer case at the rear of the gearbox. The drive for the front wheels comes from a transfer case bolted on the end of an almost traditional RWD transmission although the (bell housing is slightly different to allow the driveshaft for thr front wheels to pass it, the main body is exactly the same as the RWD transmission, the tail-shaft is different to couple to the transfer case). A short driveshaft for the front wheels exits the transfer case on the right side. Inside the transfer case a chain drives a multi-plate wet clutch pack, torque is apportioned using a clutch pack center differential, similar to the type employed in the Steyr-Daimler-Puch system in the Porsche 959. On the rear differential is a high pressure electric oil pump, this pump pressurises Normal ATF oil (0-288psi) into the transfercase to engage the clutchpack. The higher the oil pressure the transfer case is supplied with, the more the clutch pack engages, this is how the torque to the front wheels is varied. The transfer case has its own dedicated ATF (nissan special ATF) oil to lubricate the chain/clutch pack. The front driveshaft runs along the right side of the transmission, into a differential located on the right of the engine's oilpan. The front right axle is shorter than the left, as the differential is closer to the right wheel. The front left axle runs through the engine's sump to the left wheel.

The ATTESA E-TS layout is more advanced than the ATTESA system, and uses a 16bit microprocessor that monitors the cars movements at 100 times per second to sense traction loss by measuring the speed of each wheel via the ABS sensors. A three axis G-Sensor mounted underneath the center console feed lateral and longitudinal inputs into an ECU, this ECU controls both the ATTESA E-TS 4wd system and the ABS system. The ECU can then direct up to and including 50% of the power to the front wheels. When slip is detected on one of the rear wheels (rear wheels turn 5% or more than the front wheels), the system directs torque to the front wheels which run a viscous LSD. Rather than locking the AWD in all the time or having a system that is "all or nothing", the ATTESA E-TS system can apportion different ratios of torque to the front wheels as it sees fit. This provides the driver with an AWD vehicle that performs like a rear wheel drive vehicle in perfect conditions and can recover control when conditions aren't as perfect. The advantage to a more traditional ATTESA (Viscous LSD) system is response in hundredths of a second.


I don't follow V34 GTR tuner history, but I have to ask. Was it common among all JDM tuners to stagger the tire height. Reason I ask is as delivered the car came with 245/40-18 at all four, even the super limited addition R-tune had 265/35-18 at all four.

Would be interesting to know if any Japaneese V34 GTR forums have threads about staggered tire setups.

Some links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA_E-TS
http://www.jbskyline.net/R32/GTR/index2.php#attesa
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/...t-r_z-tune.asp
 
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 01:37 AM
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we have the description in the second paragraph. our transfer case uses gear oil not ATF from what I know FYI

R34 tuners run staggered cause they own R34s and they can do whatever the **** they want

run your bigger wheels in the rear. who ****ing cares. a new transfer case is only like 500 bux new anyways. big woot
 
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 02:28 AM
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lolol **** it im goin staggered anyways, I dont get sense of reg. rims anymore i love the look of wide tires in the back *** of the car sittin low. rims tucked under fender =]
 
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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hey man run the staggered.

worst case you blow the TC. put your stockers back on bring it in for warranty
 
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Old Aug 12, 2007 | 03:12 AM
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Damn, now you guys tempting me. I guess that full 100mile warranty could do me some good if I staggered and blew my transfer case, plus you only talkin 5/6 months or so out of the year then back to stockers.
 
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