John,

You know this was really quite amusing at 1st, but this is turning into a pissing match that is going no-where. Your internet surfing skills fishing for technical information, and command of the language are impressive [I can just see your entire technical support staff/marketing/engineering/legal, working diligently on your defense], and you may be able to "wow" your audience of the ignorant [this is not a dig to those who are ill-informed on this topic] to get others to join your feeble crusade, but you fool no-one else. It's unfortunate that Bose does not have its employees spend as much time in the lab that they do trying to rebuttal/defend their products - perhaps you really would have some decent systems on your hands. You've offer no explanation to date, on the POS system in the current G, in other cars and your ridicules overpriced "Home Theater" line that have the acoustical properties of an outhouse that your audio offering are so closely related to. You side-step my direct questions about the new system w/babble, incorrectly use buzzwords in your statements in regards to system design, and apply smoke-and-mirrors where applicable to benefit the real agenda of your company – marketing deception. Your efforts here are geared towards bombarding the less knowledgeable w/technical jargon that most here are not going to understand, trying to impress - whereas I've offered real facts in plain English, competitor’s systems references and industry standards. Again, if you believe that I'm not qualified to have this conversation, [and for those who are still following this thread] even though it was I who called your BS out-on-the-carpet, then read some these discussions from real experts and the general population that have experience w/your junk, and been suckered into Bose's marketing BS:

Direct Links to discussions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=bose

http://www.autospies.com/news/So-wha...Part-two-1316/

Search on "Bose":

http://www.audioholics.com
http://forums.audioreview.com
http://www.avforums.com
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com

My personal favorite:
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Ultimately, the proof will be in regards to this new system; and given that, I suggest you start building your defense ASAP, for that is where the talent w/you and Bose really lies - defending your product line. I’m not the one who has something to prove here, I’m not the one that offers marketing deception in place of audio design, or offers constant BS that you’ve offered in this post – you/Bose do. But I will promise you this: if this system lives up to the hype, you’ll get the credit you deserve and this system will speak for itself. However, considering your company's reputation in the audiophile community, competitors offering discussed here and your ridicules “buzzword bingo” game-play as a mechanism for explanation, I’m not holding my breath.

 

What exactly do you do for a living Rich, so we can insult the work you do?

 

Rlampke,
First of all, I'm discussing this with you, not with other posters you've provided links for.

Second, just because you read it on the internet, it just doesn't make it true. Case in point, the intellexual stuff.

Third, if you want to present a "real fact," you'll get a rational and technically meaningful response from me.

• Paper cones: You say good automotive audio mfg. don't use paper. Did you know that ML uses paper cones in some "full range" applicaitons? Is ML wrong to do this? I would hazard a guess that they know exactly what they are doing. Paper isn't just "paper." It's is a material that is purposely built up from the raw materials to have a set of properties good for audio. Some paper cone formulations are, to the extent of environmental testing, designed to be water proof. If moisture is no longer a problem, what else would you like to bring up which suggests paper cones are inherently inferior. Maybe we'll get an ML engineer from the office in Massachusetts to comment ...
• Aluminum cones: You seem to think Aluminum is inherently better than paper. I can understand why this might appear to be so to a layperson. Al = metal = stiff/strong, and a lot lighter than many other metals. If you are not a layperson wrt speaker design, this would be a good time to speak up. Good? Yes and no. Anyway, there are a variety of important mechanical properties for speaker cones, Aluminum is good relative to some of these properties, but inferior with respect to others. Paper offers a different set of tradeoffs, not necessarily inferior or superior. Consider mass as an example. Aluminum is denser than paper (heavier for a unit volume). Is this good or bad ... there's no simple answer (and there are good and bad speakers with Al cones ... same with paper). Maybe AL is easier to use for making a good woofer, but not so much for speakers where cone mass is a more serious concern. Maybe cone mass is a big issue for woofers too ... if efficiency is important.

Okay, there are a few real facts about speaker cones. Here's your big chance to talk about audio design, not audio religion.

John Feng

 

My Score Card is looking like

Feng-5, RLampke-0

What does ever1 else have? Over my head, and VERY interesting. Mids, highs, yea yea, i'm all about the SUBs.


RLampke, your too opinionated. You want to argue opinion, neglect the facts? So you give other opinions to support your....opinion??

Feng never once said this was the best system in the world, why? I'm assuming sound is heavily based on..... one's opinion! So to state a opinion as a factual claim would be wrong. You probably haven't stated one factual claim thus far....i can't even recall. BUT you've made your opinion loud and clear.

And still to this post, i know not what your original intent was... care to explain?

 

agreed.
my girls 06 accord coupe is quieter than my 04 g coupe.
quietness and refinement should not be a function of the type of car- unless you're buying something like an Evolution RS, Elise, etc.

 

Tom,

Are you going to offer anything substantiated here, or just the usual sniping....?

 

Hmmm - and keeping a "score card" is not opinioned...? Again, try actually offering something to the discussion.

 

Agreed - but unfortunately not all share this idea, and resort to the "bargain" factor when challenged.

 

Like you have? This is a lot of BS!

Your arguments might hold more water if you would use spell check.

 

...as suspected.

Thanks for the tip Mavis Beacon.

 

Noticed i said MY scorecard.... AND i even asked what EVERYone else had.... Atleast i'm willing to consider that there are people in the world the may disagree with me....

I've asked you many times to provide the most beneficial thing to this whole thread....Your reasoning......

You have yet to do so....pathetic

 

Unfortunately the only thing that is pathetic is your ignorance to this subject - the very demographic John/Bose markets/designs their products to.

 

LOL! You are simply tooo much!

So what exactly is your agenda? Relevance? Meaning? Purpose? Point? Punt? Punkt? σημείο? Punto? ポイント? 점? пункт??

You base your subjective claim, and the subjective claims of others and generalize a company and their products, and a system that you've never heard..... And you want to talk about ignorance?

 

I've never heard...? Go sit in your G35 and take a listen, or go to BestBuy and listen to the other systems available from Bose. If you actually did know what you were talking about, you would have known that all Bose system use the same technology or lack thereof thought their product line - Home and Audio.

If you think Bose is great, jump on some other forums that I've mentioned and defend your position.

Have fun...

 

Ok, this is just getting childish now. Unfortunately, I got caught up in it in the Why Bose Sucks thread......but seriously people, this topic is just getting OLD!! There are people here that dislike Bose and there are people here that think Bose is fine, end of story. Let's just leave it at that instead of bickering like little kids. Sound good to anyone?