The auto is faster.
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Originally Posted by Nismo G
HAHA here we go again with the on going debate of "is manual faster than auto" the correct answer is..."it depends".
Does the driver of the manual know how to drive?
Is the auto transmission built properly or is it just simply and auto transmission?
Is the car going down the 1/4 mile or a road course?
Lots of things determine which transmission is faster than the auto. When it comes down to it you can build an auto transmission to out shift a manual car anyday, but it takes money and technology. Like i said above you also have to look into is the car being drag raced or road raced. Most road racers prefer the manual because when going through corners they can choose what gear to go to instantly, were with an automatic you have to usually wait for downshifts because you have to tap the paddles or shifter more than once. If we are talking 1/4 mile a built auto transmission will always out run a manual unless it breaks.
-sean
Does the driver of the manual know how to drive?
Is the auto transmission built properly or is it just simply and auto transmission?
Is the car going down the 1/4 mile or a road course?
Lots of things determine which transmission is faster than the auto. When it comes down to it you can build an auto transmission to out shift a manual car anyday, but it takes money and technology. Like i said above you also have to look into is the car being drag raced or road raced. Most road racers prefer the manual because when going through corners they can choose what gear to go to instantly, were with an automatic you have to usually wait for downshifts because you have to tap the paddles or shifter more than once. If we are talking 1/4 mile a built auto transmission will always out run a manual unless it breaks.
-sean
. THEORETICALLY, a 6MT is faster than the auto. I do agree with you that it all depends on the driver. But hey, their could also be some bad auto drivers (if that even exits).
The point is, a 6MT has more potential, is faster, and will always be the sportier choice.
For some reason, I always hear the same excuses for someone choosing an auto over a 6MT:
Too much traffic...
Too impractical...
The truth is, that person is either a chick, or doesnt know how to drive stick.
I wouldnt mind owning an automatic Mini-Van, but an automatic "Sport Coupe"? No thanks!
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I test drove both and I didn't think the automatic felt faster than the 6MT.
Wouldn't really have mattered though, because I wanted a 6-speed for the fun of it. The G35 is the 7th standard-shift vehicle I've owned in a row. A sequence that began with a 1972 240Z and progressed through a number of BMWs. A manual transmission was a non-negotiable requirement in all the cars I considered.
Theoretically faster.. theoretically better gas mileage... but DEFINITELY more enjoyable.
/my 2-cents
Wouldn't really have mattered though, because I wanted a 6-speed for the fun of it. The G35 is the 7th standard-shift vehicle I've owned in a row. A sequence that began with a 1972 240Z and progressed through a number of BMWs. A manual transmission was a non-negotiable requirement in all the cars I considered.
Theoretically faster.. theoretically better gas mileage... but DEFINITELY more enjoyable.
/my 2-cents
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Oh, and I also have noticed the vibration in the clutch and stick-shift at higher RPM. That's my only complaint about the 6-speed MT in the G35. If a 4-cylinder Miata can have a silky smooth drivetrain at almost half the price, Infiniti should have been able to pull it off.
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Originally Posted by marcelkatz
Manual is manual, automatic is automatic. nothing will change the fact that manual is ALWAYS faster unless you have SMG. take the vdc and hit it in the manual youll see. keep the 6mt man i love mine
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Originally Posted by Nismo G
wrong (atleast with our cars), the auto G packs more low end torque than the manual G, but the manual G packs high end torque the auto doesnt.
-sean
-sean
Originally Posted by ElixXxeR
That has absolutely nothing to do with transmission differences; it is a result of deliberate engine tuning. The manual is tuned for more horsepower, but sacrifices torque to do so, the engineers assuming the higher rev range would be more important to the drivers of a manual (like say on a track). If you dynoed both the auto and manual, you would understand the difference in drivetrain loss.
-sean
Originally Posted by skaterbasist
Nismo G, your a good member, but you just need to stop being so defensive about an auto being slower than a 6MT .
THEORETICALLY, a 6MT is faster than the auto. I do agree with you that it all depends on the driver. But hey, their could also be some bad auto drivers (if that even exits).
The point is, a 6MT has more potential, is faster, and will always be the sportier choice.
For some reason, I always hear the same excuses for someone choosing an auto over a 6MT:
Too much traffic...
Too impractical...
The truth is, that person is either a chick, or doesnt know how to drive stick.
I wouldnt mind owning an automatic Mini-Van, but an automatic "Sport Coupe"? No thanks!
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. THEORETICALLY, a 6MT is faster than the auto. I do agree with you that it all depends on the driver. But hey, their could also be some bad auto drivers (if that even exits).
The point is, a 6MT has more potential, is faster, and will always be the sportier choice.
For some reason, I always hear the same excuses for someone choosing an auto over a 6MT:
Too much traffic...
Too impractical...
The truth is, that person is either a chick, or doesnt know how to drive stick.
I wouldnt mind owning an automatic Mini-Van, but an automatic "Sport Coupe"? No thanks!
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As for the driver, i was refering to the manual drivers since half of them suck! haha this guy at the track with a 350z 6 spd... i asked him why he didnt burn out and he said "everytime i do, i stall". Its the manual driver that sucks, not the auto driver, since there isnt much skill in driving a auto car, unless your awesome like me!
I baught an auto because i got a good buy on the car! Not going to lie, if it was a MT for the same price i probably would have ended up with that
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To help clairify my origianl point... I said the auto FELT faster. I didn't say it is faster.
Nobody mentioned torque management as being a factor. Many cars use torque management to protect the drivetrain from abuse. TM usually doesn't allow full power in lower gears to protect the drivetrain from abusive shock.
The auto shifts fast and firm. It doesn't seem to suffer from timimg retard or DBW throttle control between shifts.
Nobody mentioned torque management as being a factor. Many cars use torque management to protect the drivetrain from abuse. TM usually doesn't allow full power in lower gears to protect the drivetrain from abusive shock.
The auto shifts fast and firm. It doesn't seem to suffer from timimg retard or DBW throttle control between shifts.
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Originally Posted by Nismo G
HAHA here we go again with the on going debate of "is manual faster than auto" the correct answer is..."it depends".
Does the driver of the manual know how to drive?
Is the auto transmission built properly or is it just simply and auto transmission?
Is the car going down the 1/4 mile or a road course?
Lots of things determine which transmission is faster than the auto. When it comes down to it you can build an auto transmission to out shift a manual car anyday, but it takes money and technology. Like i said above you also have to look into is the car being drag raced or road raced. Most road racers prefer the manual because when going through corners they can choose what gear to go to instantly, were with an automatic you have to usually wait for downshifts because you have to tap the paddles or shifter more than once. If we are talking 1/4 mile a built auto transmission will always out run a manual unless it breaks.
-sean
Does the driver of the manual know how to drive?
Is the auto transmission built properly or is it just simply and auto transmission?
Is the car going down the 1/4 mile or a road course?
Lots of things determine which transmission is faster than the auto. When it comes down to it you can build an auto transmission to out shift a manual car anyday, but it takes money and technology. Like i said above you also have to look into is the car being drag raced or road raced. Most road racers prefer the manual because when going through corners they can choose what gear to go to instantly, were with an automatic you have to usually wait for downshifts because you have to tap the paddles or shifter more than once. If we are talking 1/4 mile a built auto transmission will always out run a manual unless it breaks.
-sean
The SMG tranny is a manual/clutch setup being automaticly shifted. A new class of trannies.
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
For some reason, I always hear the same excuses for someone choosing an auto over a 6MT:
Too much traffic...
Too impractical...
The truth is, that person is either a chick, or doesnt know how to drive stick.
Too much traffic...
Too impractical...
The truth is, that person is either a chick, or doesnt know how to drive stick.
Originally Posted by CarNutz
Drag racers prefer autos because they are consistant and can be dialed in for bracket racing. Given two identical cars, one with auto and one with manual. The manual will win with the right driver. It puts down more power, there are less driveline losses. There are so many variables to this when it come to real racing... but the basics still apply.
The SMG tranny is a manual/clutch setup being automaticly shifted. A new class of trannies.
The SMG tranny is a manual/clutch setup being automaticly shifted. A new class of trannies.
-sean
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Originally Posted by Garnet Canuck
I am not sure if you were joking or not, but either way reading these type of comments toward the auto gets tiring.
Originally Posted by Garnet Canuck
I am not sure if you were joking or not, but either way reading these type of comments toward the auto gets tiring.
.Generally the auto would be quicker because of most driver's ability to drive a standard transmission
I can see where a lot of people prefer the standard since it does give them more involvment with the car.
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Originally Posted by Nismo G
When it comes to real drag cars the auto is going to be faster. If they tried to shift a car that does 250+MPH in 6 seconds there times would go out the **** hole. The auto transmissions in these cars are shifted, but without a clutch.
-sean
-sean
The manual in the G35 made me think of the rock crusher again... with all the vibrations coming through the shifter...