Motive - BMW 335i Sedan vs. Infiniti G37S Sedan
#61
01-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Maybe AS fast, but not faster
Paired with the standard six-speed transmission, this is sufficient to propel the 3616-pound 335i to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, with essentially no turbo lag—the tiny hesitation between the time the driver punches the throttle and the onset of full boost. That's a tenth quicker to 60 mph than was the slightly lighter 335i coupe, an advantage the sedan held through the quarter-mile (13.5 seconds at 106 mph)
Paired with the standard six-speed transmission, this is sufficient to propel the 3616-pound 335i to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, with essentially no turbo lag—the tiny hesitation between the time the driver punches the throttle and the onset of full boost. That's a tenth quicker to 60 mph than was the slightly lighter 335i coupe, an advantage the sedan held through the quarter-mile (13.5 seconds at 106 mph)
It took me over a year to crack the 2.1 mark with my G.
On the other hand when it comes to high speed runs 3 dies after 6k rpm, keep in mind the redline is set at 7k. I have yet to try early shifting and see if that makes a difference but that last 1000 rpm dead spot is costing this car lots of speed. Anything other that 0-x run the G37 sedan will be a quicker car unless you are racing 4000ft above sea level.
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01-27-2009, 04:34 PM
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They are so close at this point that it no longer matters. Driver, temperature, altitude, a few pebbles on the road at launch, etc. are the things separating these two cars at the drag strip.
Which one wins around a racetrack probably depends on the racetrack layout and random conditions as well. Although I haven't seen any side-by-side results personally. The only place they really differ in performance is the wider power band of the 335 which would be an advantage getting out of corners except that the 335 has an open diff and the G37S's LSD would likely nullify any power band advantage with its superior ability to put its power to the ground.
The differences can no longer be significantly measured in performance numbers. The real differences are in price, engine refinement, handling "feel", engine "feel" and how/where they make power, interior quality (maybe), and aesthetic appeal.
Every one of those things except price is subjective and thus this argument is un-winnable.
Which one wins around a racetrack probably depends on the racetrack layout and random conditions as well. Although I haven't seen any side-by-side results personally. The only place they really differ in performance is the wider power band of the 335 which would be an advantage getting out of corners except that the 335 has an open diff and the G37S's LSD would likely nullify any power band advantage with its superior ability to put its power to the ground.
The differences can no longer be significantly measured in performance numbers. The real differences are in price, engine refinement, handling "feel", engine "feel" and how/where they make power, interior quality (maybe), and aesthetic appeal.
Every one of those things except price is subjective and thus this argument is un-winnable.
#63
01-27-2009, 04:36 PM
From Dead stop 335 is a rocket compared to the G and most other cars. This thing can take off very easily with minimal practice. My first ever launch i did with this car was at the drag strip and i managed to do 2.0 60ft time on the very first run.
It took me over a year to crack the 2.1 mark with my G.
On the other hand when it comes to high speed runs 3 dies after 6k rpm, keep in mind the redline is set at 7k. I have yet to try early shifting and see if that makes a difference but that last 1000 rpm dead spot is costing this car lots of speed. Anything other that 0-x run the G37 sedan will be a quicker car unless you are racing 4000ft above sea level.
It took me over a year to crack the 2.1 mark with my G.
On the other hand when it comes to high speed runs 3 dies after 6k rpm, keep in mind the redline is set at 7k. I have yet to try early shifting and see if that makes a difference but that last 1000 rpm dead spot is costing this car lots of speed. Anything other that 0-x run the G37 sedan will be a quicker car unless you are racing 4000ft above sea level.
#64
01-27-2009, 05:28 PM
They are so close at this point that it no longer matters. Driver, temperature, altitude, a few pebbles on the road at launch, etc. are the things separating these two cars at the drag strip.
Which one wins around a racetrack probably depends on the racetrack layout and random conditions as well. Although I haven't seen any side-by-side results personally. The only place they really differ in performance is the wider power band of the 335 which would be an advantage getting out of corners except that the 335 has an open diff and the G37S's LSD would likely nullify any power band advantage with its superior ability to put its power to the ground.
The differences can no longer be significantly measured in performance numbers. The real differences are in price, engine refinement, handling "feel", engine "feel" and how/where they make power, interior quality (maybe), and aesthetic appeal.
Every one of those things except price is subjective and thus this argument is un-winnable.
Which one wins around a racetrack probably depends on the racetrack layout and random conditions as well. Although I haven't seen any side-by-side results personally. The only place they really differ in performance is the wider power band of the 335 which would be an advantage getting out of corners except that the 335 has an open diff and the G37S's LSD would likely nullify any power band advantage with its superior ability to put its power to the ground.
The differences can no longer be significantly measured in performance numbers. The real differences are in price, engine refinement, handling "feel", engine "feel" and how/where they make power, interior quality (maybe), and aesthetic appeal.
Every one of those things except price is subjective and thus this argument is un-winnable.
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01-28-2009, 05:43 PM
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#70
01-28-2009, 05:53 PM
lol.... the 335 is a POS in light of the existence of a 135... all these speed freaks comparing 335's to G's should be in 135's in the first place if they were real enthusiasts... Smaller car... same grunt...
Never the less.... the 30% price difference in the 2 cars = a New FI system for the G37... in which case I would say its safe to say up top mod potential wise... the G's will win out...
How many VQ35's are there in the 500whp+ range with stock internals? and how many bimmers w/ the same?
Never the less.... the 30% price difference in the 2 cars = a New FI system for the G37... in which case I would say its safe to say up top mod potential wise... the G's will win out...
How many VQ35's are there in the 500whp+ range with stock internals? and how many bimmers w/ the same?
#71
01-28-2009, 07:39 PM
The stock I6's in E36 (92-98/99) 3 series seem to max out in the mid 6's, guy on the first site was past 700whp and had been boosting a couple years before he bent a rod. E46 M3's have been known to get to 600whp on stock internals. That's not getting into the bigger engines and ones that came factory FI. I would put money on the N54 being capable of well over 600.
http://www.bmwturbo328.com/page2.html
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=589544
http://www.icsperformance.com/icsm3wb1.htm
#72
01-29-2009, 05:59 PM
On the track, the 335i will probably be faster because of more aggressive sport suspension setup. It has lower springs and lower aspect tires and the car overall is a bit lower as well. The G sedan sport suspension is a bit too tall and the tires are not meant for track racing.
Tall suspension? Tell that to the EVO and STI guys. Have you seen the wheel gaps on the STI?
#73
01-29-2009, 06:24 PM
All 3 look pretty good on the BMW's. Check out E90post.com for some pictures of all 3 kits.
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01-31-2009, 03:52 PM
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On the track, the 335i will probably be faster because of more aggressive sport suspension setup. It has lower springs and lower aspect tires and the car overall is a bit lower as well. The G sedan sport suspension is a bit too tall and the tires are not meant for track racing.
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01-31-2009, 05:18 PM
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