Anybody using lithium ion battery for their G?
Weight savings? Haha how much could you possibly save? Also, a car battery should last like a good 7 yrs or so. I could see if you were goin thru a battery once a year maybe getting one, but in any normal situation I don't see the point..
It would make no sense. Performance and life span wise, a gel lead acid battery is nearly on par with lithium ion battery, but at 1/4th the cost. The only real benefit of lithium ion battery is less enviromental impact, couple pounds weight savings and extreme temperatures (<0F and >120F). It is a better technology, but price point just doesnt make them worth while yet.
Even hybrid cars with massive Li-Ion batteries, sill use lead-acids for starts.
Even hybrid cars with massive Li-Ion batteries, sill use lead-acids for starts.
Last edited by WhosUrBuddiee; Jun 30, 2014 at 01:55 PM.
Typical car battery life is 2-5 years, depending on climate, vehicle (more accessories=shorter life span), and type of driving (short trips and long periods of inactivity=shorter life). Gel lead acid batteries typically last 4-8 years. Li-Ion battery will last 8-10 years.
I have an Optima yellow top (not in the G, but used for camping power) that is 14 years old and still going strong.
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A typical car battery weighs about 40lbs. A similar Ah lithium ion battery will weigh about 9 lbs.
Typical car battery life is 2-5 years, depending on climate, vehicle (more accessories=shorter life span), and type of driving (short trips and long periods of inactivity=shorter life). Gel lead acid batteries typically last 4-8 years. Li-Ion battery will last 8-10 years.
Typical car battery life is 2-5 years, depending on climate, vehicle (more accessories=shorter life span), and type of driving (short trips and long periods of inactivity=shorter life). Gel lead acid batteries typically last 4-8 years. Li-Ion battery will last 8-10 years.
It would make no sense. Performance and life span wise, a gel lead acid battery is nearly on par with lithium ion battery, but at 1/4th the cost. The only real benefit of lithium ion battery is less enviromental impact, couple pounds weight savings and extreme temperatures (<0F and >120F). It is a better technology, but price point just doesnt make them worth while yet.
Even hybrid cars with massive Li-Ion batteries, sill use lead-acids for starts.
Even hybrid cars with massive Li-Ion batteries, sill use lead-acids for starts.
The lead/acid battery for the hybrids look like a motorcycle battery. Too small to use to start the car. It's just used to make sure the electronics always have an energy supply
Last edited by Jeff92se; Jun 30, 2014 at 02:21 PM.
I don't know for all hybrids but Lexus/Toyota doesn't use the lead acid for starting. Actually they don't even have starters. They use the electric motor sandwiched inbetween the engine/tranny to start the car and it draws from the litium/ion battery packs for energy.
The lead/acid battery for the hybrids look like a motorcycle battery. Too small to use to start the car. It's just used to make sure the electronics always have an energy supply
The lead/acid battery for the hybrids look like a motorcycle battery. Too small to use to start the car. It's just used to make sure the electronics always have an energy supply
http://www.alabc.org/publications/le...teries-in-hevs
In the future, you should probably just stop here.
One would think you would eventually tire of always being wrong. Yes almost every single hybid car still uses a regular lead acid battery for starting/ignition and not the li-ion/ni-mh, including all Lexus/Toyota.
http://www.alabc.org/publications/le...teries-in-hevs
In the future, you should probably just stop here.
http://www.alabc.org/publications/le...teries-in-hevs
In the future, you should probably just stop here.
http://www.mylexushybrid.com/the-rx-400h-hybrid-engine
Doesn't use litium ion but it's a technicality
Hybrid Battery: There is a sealed nickel-metal hydride molecule battery that generates 288-volts. It is located under the rear seats. The rear seats sit a little higher than the Lexus RX 330 because of the hybrid battery. It stores regenerative energy from braking, coasting, deceleration as well as supplies power to the Inverter, which is used by the electric motors.
12-Volt Battery: Last but not least, there is the battery. This battery is used to start the Hybrid Electronic Control System and operates the basic electrical system. This battery is kept charged by the Inverter.
Yeah, my first gen Honda Insight had a 12v battery besides the NiMH, but that was a completely different type of hybrid, so I can't speak for the Toyotas. But I would think they need it in case the electric part of the hybrid failed.
How the Prius charging/starting systems work.
http://prius3.wordpress.com/2011/08/...btle-ones-too/
How hybrids start their cars
http://prius3.wordpress.com/2011/08/...btle-ones-too/
the 12V battery is smaller than on a conventional car (its usage is essentially to turn on the computer at start up and to act as a buffer between the high voltage battery and the 12V accessories, which are not driven directly at high voltage); this saves an additional 10 kg/ 20 lbs (a conventional drivetrain battery can weigh from 10 to 30 kg /22 to 66 lbs depending on the model/capacity – an example here)
lack of starter and engine noise at start-up; if the Prius engine is warm, you can move out of the parking spot without a sound; if the ICE is cold, there is no starter noise as the engine is turned on very smoothly using the powerful MG1 generator
Don't you hate being called out as a complete fool? I would
http://www.mylexushybrid.com/the-rx-400h-hybrid-engine
Doesn't use litium ion but it's a technicality
The lead acid batter you are trying to refer to
http://www.mylexushybrid.com/the-rx-400h-hybrid-engine
Doesn't use litium ion but it's a technicality
The lead acid batter you are trying to refer to
Also I said very clearly li-ion/ni-mh, you even quoted it. Some use lithium-ion and some use nickel metal hydride. Trying (and failing) to point out a technicality doesnt make you any less wrong.
Congrats on finding one car that uses li-ion/nimh battery to start engine. Still a far cry from your orginal claim.
Probably to make sure the ecu etc.. has power in case the hybrid batteries go completely dead. ie.. if you haven't used the car in a long time etc... but it's too small to start the car.