Wow I didn't know that. Thanks for that, maxpower.

 

I saw 335I as 13.7@103 from their roadtest but C&D has it at as 1/4 in 13.5 @ 105 compared to the 13.9 for G37.

Guess we will have to wait for road and track as all we have to go by for now are mags.

 

Sorry, but this thing is getting too damn heavy. 3717 pounds? And I don't care if you want to label it a "GT". Considering it's not much bigger than older models, it shouldn't be getting heavier. A 10gb hard drive and a few extra speakers don't weigh 200 pounds! Infiniti really dropped the ball when it came to the engineering on this vehicle.

Somehow, BMW managed to create a similarly sized car that weighs 150 pounds less, all while stuffing 2 turbos, intercoolers and the associated plumbing under the hood. Hmmm....

I would expect a 3800 pound weight for an "M35" sized coupe... like the 6 series.

Weight is the enemy. Acceleration, handling and fuel economy all suffer. I don't know what they are thinking...

Damn. And I feel the same way about the new G35 sedan gaining weight. I know America is getting fatter... but our cars don't have to!

 

Based on these numbers/result, give me the sedan please.

 

I had Motorweek on my dvr so I went back and checked the numbers,

the sedan 6M was 0-60 @5.3....the 1/4 was 13.7@103

the coupe 6 steptronic was 0-60 @5.4....the 1/4 was 13.9 @ 104

 

Heres car and driver as an FYI on 335I road test also:

0-60 4.8

1/4: 13.5@106........


at 3616 lbs...

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ecs-page2.html

 

What does this have anything to do with magazine racing? If you're not familiar with how drag racing works, and how much elevation and current conditions affect the cars performance... well that's not really my problem.

Give me some sort of logical conclusion of how the G37 performs without what we are told by the Magazines; we can't conclude anything because no one else has their hands on one.

I oppose "Mag Racing" just as anyone. But we have nothing else as of right now.

Nothing personal...


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I must admit this is far slower than I expected, but time will tell if these times are just C&D or all the mags get the same times.

Skid pad results seem lame as well.

 

Actually, we'll have to wait for "real" tests. In today's released tests, Car & Driver and Edmunds, they both picked up their cars (Car & Driver: 6MT w/Prem, Edmunds: Journey/Sport, no Prem) at Barber Motorsports Park in Birmingham, AL. That was were Infiniti introduced the G37 to the press. They all got to drive 6MT and 5AT/Sport at the track and some then drove test cars home (LA for Edmunds, Detroit for Car & Driver).

We do not know if these tests were done with the magazines' normal testing equipment at Barber (MotorTrend and R&T, at a minimum, can pack all their equipment in one big suitcase, I do not know about the others) or with simple stopwatches. We do know these tests were not done at the magazines' normal test places. So, we can not compare these numbers to any other published numbers for other cars. We need to wait for complete road tests conducted at the magazines' normal test places.

 

lol those weren't real tests? Car isn't going to improve to 4 seconds on a different track.

I too hope for better times but just being realistic here.

 

Just want to bring up a few things:

1. If you go to the Edmunds review and select "Specifications and Performance" it seems there is some test data there for the 6mt. The 1/4 mile is down to 13.8 although at 102 mph.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=125509

2. In that same section, it lists the slalom speed at 71.3!! To put that in perspective, the G35 Sedan did 67.1 mph, and the venerable 335 did it at 68.4, and the Porsche 911 Turbo at 70.5. I think the fastest I've seen is the Lotus Exige S at 74 mph (a whole other league). The point is this new G37 will be quite agile. When a recent test of the IS250 showed it doing it at 70.4, the following was quoted "The X Package improvements also translate to the track, as our slalom test confirms. Although it's down over 100 hp on the IS 350, the IS 250 is nearly 4 mph faster through the cones with a 70.4-mph result. This is blazing speed, and it puts the IS 250 ahead of the BMW 335i, not to mention about a half dozen very capable sports cars." The G37 trumps all of them.

3. In terms of acceleration, I must have been the only one that thought we'd only see marginal improvements over the 2007 sedan. 13.8 at 102 is not too shabby in my book. I loved my 04 6mt and according to edmunds it ran a 14.66 at 98 mph. I never felt the car was slow and this car is much quicker than the old G. And, yes, some people will run faster than 13.8 just like some people ran faster than 14.66 back in 04. One other point in comparing to the 335. Edmunds tested the car twice. The first time, it was like a rocket (13.3 at 106). The second time it ran the following:

0 - 30 (sec): 1.8
0 - 45 (sec): 3.3
0 - 60 (sec): 5.0
0 - 75 (sec): 7.6
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.6 @ 102.5

As a comparison, the G37 did the folllowing:

0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.4
0 - 75 (sec): 7.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.8 @ 102.0

If these 2 tests are what we can expect out of these cars, they are both comparable. If you are in a drag race, yes, you will lose to a 335 - but in reality who can really "feel" the difference of going zero to 102 mph in 13.6 seconds versus 13.8?

4. Some people are sounding dissapointed with the G37 test. I read the Edmunds test and saw a gushing review. The car is faster, much more agile, the shifter is finally fixed, road noise has gone away (the G's biggest problem), and the ever-elusive refinement is now under the G's belt. All I can think is that people wanted this car to run low-13's in the 1/4 mile and are basing everything on that. Besides straight line acceleration and potentially styling (as it is subjective), I can't see where the 335 excels over this G37. It is amusing how when the 1st gen G went against the 3-series, each of their strengths is opposite to what they are now. Back then, the G was faster in a straight line, but the 3-series had refinement, handling, and interior design. And because of that the 3-series was deemed better overall. Now, the opposite it true, yet someone has decided that running a few tenths faster in the 1/4 mile is the only measurement of how good a car is overall.

5. One more thing on the 1/4 miles. According to Edmunds the track elevation was 1,121 feet, 79 F, and 31% RH. The density altitude works out to something like 2,500 feet. The BMW was tested at the same elevation, but it was 71F and 14% RH. Density altitude works out to 1,950 or so. Plug those into a converter and the 13.8 G37 time is equal to the 13.6 335 time. Point being people are worried about a few tenths and the above shows that having a slightly more humid day can have as much an effect on test data.

 

Muscarel,

I am assuming you mean IS350, not IS250.

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Fantastic post, Muscarel! I really like this interesting piece...I too find it amusing.

 

Actually, no. The test was for an IS250 with some special performance package. The article mentions how it completely changes the car and makes it perform (handling) better than the IS350. See the quote I listed in my post.

 

No, it was the IS250. The IS350 doesn't handle as well because the 250 has better weight distribution and doesn't have the crappy VDIM. The IS250 also has a manual...looks like the 250 is the sportier car