By the way genius – it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand you can alter the direction of airflow by various methods… One of the easiest examples is the Vornado fan and air purifiers: http://www.vornado.com/Default.aspx?...ISC_Left=false and yes I have 2 of their air purifiers and yes they do “curve” airflow. And no I’m certain you don’t have one and probably want to debate this too like everything else… you don’t need to “bend the laws of physics” if you have an ounce of common sense.

And before you start babbling about how the tbs is not like Vornado fans and cant do the same thing… you have absolutely no idea what the tbs is like and what its capable of because you have never bothered to try it. All you are capable of doing is cannibalizing parts from other version of VQ and telling everyone how great the mods are

 

My 14.32@98 with a Z-tube in sea level DA? Or my 14.35@99.87mph in 2000' DA with the MD spacer? That's .3 seconds off your best with thousands in mods

You cannot spin air by simply rifling the bore. Fluid can't do the same thing either. I work with power plant emissions control devices. If rifling and spinning air worked we'd be using it to improve air velocity because it would be a terribly cheap and solution to a big obstacle we face. I'm pretty sure the Mitsubishi engineers that work with us would have figured this out about 30 years ago Your Vornado example is a joke and has nothing to do with how the TBS is designed to operate. Last time I checked my two home Vornado fans, I didn't see any rifling along the internal edges of the fan casings.

I don't need to buy a Turbonator to know it doesn't work. I really thought you were smarter than this.

If these spacer really worked, you'd know Tony at Motordyne would be making them. Even he knows these things are a joke.

See Tony's post (#48)

https://g35driver.com/forums/intake-...-spacer-2.html

 

Thanks for posting that thread – it chronicles the history of how that tbs was found… Tony’s evaluation was on my car testing this exact spacer… 8-10 hp gains were found and he feels it was due to ECU… I’ve talked about the details in the thread you linked so anyone wanting to know the “facts” can read it.

As for your car being even remotely comparable to my car – even before cams and headers I was putting down way more power and producing way faster ETs – this car has always been faster than yours and I even offered to drive 1500 miles to meet you at a neutral track to race for pinks a few years ago - if you were so confident why didnt you take the offer for a free car?

Dave, you are a joke and your “RevUp airbox mods” and “coupe mid pipe” or whatever the hell you run with your other cannibal mods are not going to net you the kind of performance it would take to compete with me.

As for the tbs – you have ZERO first hand info about the thing yet you squawk as if you know what you are talking about… you do the same thing about other mods… you tried to do it about the Rare JDM/Stage 4 rear stabilizer bar for sedans, again your head was up your @ss and you didn’t know what you were talking about – Give it a rest Dave, you’re an idiot.

 

I thought I was on your ignore list As usual with any debate you and I have, you sway off topic and lay into me with the flames and name calling. Nothing changes with you.

Anyway, Tony knows this mod is a farce, so do I, and most anyone else that's an engineer. Add exhaust tips to your G and it will show power on Shawn's dyno.

I don't race for "pinks". I have a family, a life, and don't have the time to drive 1500 miles to prove something to you. I've never said my car was faster than yours and I'd hope to God yours is quicker seeing that your G has far more performance enhancing mods compared to my 03's one single HP adding mod (MD spacer). Though with all your mods, you car is about .3 to .4 seconds quicker under similiar conditions. Not exactly a killing when you've got $5K more in performance parts.

If you want to keep the debate going, stop with the flames, the name calling, and stay on topic. Spare us your drama.

 

^^^ there’s no debating with a fool.

You are on ignore, but apparently cant read - I already explained that I read you idiotic post when I'm not logged on... typically I wouldn’t care about the nonsense that you post - but when its complete garbage I will let it be known.

BTW, your car would be at least .5 seconds slower than me in comparable conditions - which in a 1/4 mile is substantial... even the .3 you myopically claim is a crushing loss in 1/4 mile - stop your whining and learn to deal with it.

 

Mike. Remember what Hydrazine (a yahoo) said about these TB spacers? You dyno'd and then took it off. Then proceeded to dyno exactly the same(or very near the same) If the TB gave gains, it would have taken them away when taken off.

For those that need a 3rd party impartial impression vs the rehashed argument above, research Hydrazine's comment on them. He's 100% against them unless one needs an easy way to install vacuum/boost access ports.

 

It’s already been addressed Jeff… and as much as I respect Tony (hydrazine) and consider him a friend, in this case we agree to disagree… in fact Shawn Church and DaveO also have different opinions than that of Tony (Dave and Shawn have both tested gains).

I hate bringing that up because we are all friends – but the BIG difference between what DaveO, Shawn Church Tony Collette and myself think versus what you and DaveB think is the former all have viable reasons and have had first hand accountable knowledge with the unit. You and DaveB have had absolutely ZERO. So bandwagon with whatever side you want, but don’t make comments as if either of you have a clue about the mod.

I would have way more respect for either of your comments if each of you tested the mod yourselves and gave an honest first hand experienced opinion… until then your “opinion” is as useless as you think the mod is.

 

By the way – DaveB’s comment in post #14 ("I don't think there but a handful of people on here and my350z that have these installed") further validates that he doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about… I tacked down the list of g35driver members that all got this tbs during the GB = 21… additionally there were 5 others than requested and bought after the GB… and since then I’ve had ppl ask me in threads and in PMs if I know where to get any (which I don’t but I let them know DaveO might have 1 or 2 left from beta testing)… this is in addition to a handful that went on cars before anything was even said about this mod.

Of around 30 (that I know of), I think I’ve only read one negative review (and that was simply that nothing was felt on butt dyno) – and DaveO told me that Trey did before and afters at the track and wasn’t able to ascertain gains. There was a dyno day at Church Automotive where a Z dyno gains (and ppl since then have brought that to my attention, I wasn’t even there) + a couple other dynos in addition to mine.

So again – until you have done the amount of research and have first hand accountable knowledge and have talked to people that have the unit – your opinion simply isn’t valid as far as I’m concerned.

This is the last post I’m making here because I’ve wasted enough time with the previous fool and I don’t want to waste time debating you too Jeff… once one of you test the mod yourself I’d be happy to know what you think – until then its pointless

 

I would spend the $100 and buy it and then dyno the car but....I got my dyno tune done at FT which is 3-4 hours away....and the only fair way to do it would be for me to dyno at the same dyno where my original numbers came from...

 

Your argument that one must actually buy the mod to verify it's validity and have any sort of legit opinion is comical.

Jeff brings up a good point too that you conventiently disregard where you dynoed the TBS and then removed it, dynoed again, and there was no gain. Then people test them at the strip and see no difference. Where are these gains again

 

If you've got money to burn, do it. Do three dynos without, install (should take 10 minutes), and then do three dynos. That will give your answer. My guess is the before and after numbers will be within 0-2hp.

 

Actually, you need to then follow it up with 3 dynos after removing it again.

 

Where is my personal opinon? Here's the thread.

https://g35driver.com/forums/intake-...ml#post2726996

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Hi Mike,

I was certaint of it based on my own design testing, but after testing yours on your car, I was convinced they don't work at all.

Remember, after we uninstalled yours, your car dynod exactly the same on all parts of the curve.
And yes, I am sure it was the ECU. Even before testing, I explained ECU changes can happen. And they typically move upward after a few pulls on the dyno and reach a plateau.

If the TB spacer was making gains, your car would have lost power after it was removed. But it didn't.


For the ones that did show gains, I would give it a second thought if they were consistant in their magnitude and RPM. But they haven't.

Without strict testing controls, you could take a fleet of cars, dyno them all, and redyno them 30 minutes later and the vast majority of them will dyno higher the second time around. The ECU needs to be normalized for both sets of tests for the test to be valid.

I'm not bashing, taking sides or trying to rain on any parades. I'm just saying what I know from test experience.

And believe me. If there was any real HP to be made from a TB spacer, I would exploite its engineering to the max. ...But its just not there.

Tony

EDIT: I was going to stay out of this thread but when I saw reference to my name and testing, I had to make some clarification. Otherwise, I'll try to avoid TB spacer threads.

 

Reading comprehension has never been your strong suit Jeff… the above was addressed twice in this thread, most recently in post #18

I know you don’t really have the ability to think beyond your preconceived ideas, so this is really just another waste of my time typing.

 

Surely I'm not the only confused one by your statements. So now are you saying the TBS didn't do squat after Jeff brought up Tony's testing on your car? In your 3rd post you state:

You can't have it both ways. The TBS didn't do anything for your G, yet you claim it works? If a mod works, it's gains are going to be repeatable, not just something Shawn saw on his wonder dyno. Look at the MD spacers for example. The average gains are there, car to car. The TBS appears to be selective as to only working on cars dynoed at Shawn's shop. Tony at MD puts his mods through a lot of R&D which is something most aftermarket do not do. Don't you think Tony would have jumped all over this mod if he saw the gains?

Please explain where you stand on this modification. Do you believe it works? Did or did it not it make gains on your car when Tony tested it?