TB spacer
Thanks Jeff for saving me the time to dig things up on this guy. OC why don't you quit with the name calling old man.. You're nothing to bright or special.. Your car is slow. Yes I said it and went there.
Rifling or not an object spacing the throttle body is not going to increase any volume of air in the plenum which is what matters.. All you're doing is adding a tiny little extension to the intake by pushing it forward..
Poor old man, pushing himself and swearing his life over a throttle body spacer.. Pathetic IMO.
Rifling or not an object spacing the throttle body is not going to increase any volume of air in the plenum which is what matters.. All you're doing is adding a tiny little extension to the intake by pushing it forward..
Poor old man, pushing himself and swearing his life over a throttle body spacer.. Pathetic IMO.
Thanks Jeff for saving me the time to dig things up on this guy. OC why don't you quit with the name calling old man.. You're nothing to bright or special.. Your car is slow. Yes I said it and went there.
Rifling or not an object spacing the throttle body is not going to increase any volume of air in the plenum which is what matters.. All you're doing is adding a tiny little extension to the intake by pushing it forward..
Poor old man, pushing himself and swearing his life over a throttle body spacer.. Pathetic IMO.
Rifling or not an object spacing the throttle body is not going to increase any volume of air in the plenum which is what matters.. All you're doing is adding a tiny little extension to the intake by pushing it forward..
Poor old man, pushing himself and swearing his life over a throttle body spacer.. Pathetic IMO.
And totally brainless! I never said anything about increasing volume of air in the plenum
And increasing plenum volume isn’t going to do anything for performance unless the runners in the lower collector are ported and blended and the heads are ported... The only reason a spacer or taller plenum are effective is to get more air to the front runners - it has nothing to do with adding air volume to the plenum... you could put a 3" spacer on there and it wouldnt add gains. Velocity would make a difference, but volume isn’t.So if you want to debate what I've said about this spacer in the past at least have a clue what you are talking about - because so far you have said nothing close to what I've ever mentioned.
BTW genius, Jeff's post of my quote didn’t even corroborate what you are saying... in fact it states the opposite... reading comprehension isn’t your strong suite (but somehow that doesn’t surprise me).
Last edited by OCG35; Jun 14, 2009 at 01:46 PM.
Because stupidity drives me friggin’ nuts, I am quoting a post from over 2 years ago – when I first started researching this thing… before any other clueless noobs post - showing that they have no idea about the history of this, read the thread about what started the whole thing: https://g35driver.com/forums/intake-...dy-spacer.html … if you are going to post debate, pull you head out of your @ss and have a clue what you are talking about first.
DaveB, Jeff and I have been around for years and this is what we do – we debate with each other, it is what it is… but you noobies that have no friggin idea what you are talking about – learn something first.
DaveB, Jeff and I have been around for years and this is what we do – we debate with each other, it is what it is… but you noobies that have no friggin idea what you are talking about – learn something first.
I just got off the phone with Shawn Church (owner of Church Automotive Testing)… he indeed did dyno a prototype TB spacer… he confirmed that it dyno’d about 8 hp on the upper end (5500rmp range)… I asked him in theory what could possibly be the cause and he explained that the one he testing had rifling on the inside edge – you have to install it one way only… it alters the airflow in a way – unlike the Tabulator that swirls the air prior to the TB and does basically nothing, this apparently helps the airflow make the turn on our curve (from TB to plenum)… he said it did nothing on cars that have a straight intake/TB to collector.
So in theory it’s not the added volume, it the altered airflow helping the air flow around the curve after the TB.
Seems a little hokey, but I fully believe Shawn. He wouldn’t state false claims of gains. I asked about clearance (he ran a 7/8" spacer) – he has stock intake tube and said it fit but the accordion flex was collapsed all the way.
I don’t know if all manufacturers have the rifling – it looks like AAMs has functionality more for adapting other components – the rifling one might be worth looking into further. I tried doing a Google search and there are tons – so I’m not sure which one makes this particular TB spacer or if it’s even production ready… I will start researching some of the others though. Now that I know there is something other than added volume (which in theory is a bogus claim) it might be worth it?
Edit: the spacer is 7/8"... Shawn thought by recollection it was about 3/4" that's what I originally posted - after receiving the product and measuring it I have corrected the size in this post.
So in theory it’s not the added volume, it the altered airflow helping the air flow around the curve after the TB.
Seems a little hokey, but I fully believe Shawn. He wouldn’t state false claims of gains. I asked about clearance (he ran a 7/8" spacer) – he has stock intake tube and said it fit but the accordion flex was collapsed all the way.
I don’t know if all manufacturers have the rifling – it looks like AAMs has functionality more for adapting other components – the rifling one might be worth looking into further. I tried doing a Google search and there are tons – so I’m not sure which one makes this particular TB spacer or if it’s even production ready… I will start researching some of the others though. Now that I know there is something other than added volume (which in theory is a bogus claim) it might be worth it?
Edit: the spacer is 7/8"... Shawn thought by recollection it was about 3/4" that's what I originally posted - after receiving the product and measuring it I have corrected the size in this post.
Something else regarding this spacer that I’ve always thought of but haven’t ever posted about (I don’t think) – it that the added 7/8” at the TB side forces the accordion flex at the MAF side to collapse quite a bit… This lessens the “baffles” in the flex portion and possibly creates slightly smoother/straighter airflow in that area… whether or not this helps is of course debatable.
OC I didn't even read your last few posts.. I dont care what you said or what you didn't say.. I'm spewing out facts.
shut the **** up already!
Bye!
Something else regarding this spacer that I’ve always thought of but haven’t ever posted about (I don’t think) – it that the added 7/8” at the TB side forces the accordion flex at the MAF side to collapse quite a bit… This lessens the “baffles” in the flex portion and possibly creates slightly smoother/straighter airflow in that area… whether or not this helps is of course debatable.
Wouldn't all those metal type Z style tubes show a difference then? (however small)
Aside from them being metal, I’ve always suspected so… I wouldn’t use a metal one though – I bought and returned a silicone straight tube and a cf straight tube – for this very reason… but they didn’t fit properly unless I removed the tbs… so I am using a painted Z-tube… If I had the time I would have done some testing with the various intakes to determine if the straight flow is better… but the car is spending too much time with other stuff these days.
of course you didn’t read them... you wouldn’t understand the concept anyway... "spewing out facts" isn’t relevant when they have nothing to do with the quotes you posted of mine... it would be like me quoting you then talking about airplanes - one has nothing to do with the other... but its okay - I understand some people are less capable - you just happen to be one of them.
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