Review: Cosworth Intake Manifold vs Motordyne Setup
#16
No offense taken. I didn't originally buy it for the sole intent of testing it. I was really hoping for it to perform as well as it did when Cosworth themselves used it on their NA engine in their engine build off. If anything my car should, at the minimum, flow as much as their 3.8L stroked engine. If you go to their US site, you will notice that the Plenum dynos all revolves around NA application for a mildly built NA car.
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My new engine is not a typical engine, it was modeled and the headwork and camshaft were custom made for the parts that I have. Passing it through the bench flow and engine dyno, the numbers all checked out. The builder of my block has made Nissan race engines for over 20 years, so it wasn't really just slapping parts on.
#22
I don't doubt your build isn't complete, but Cosworth didn't cut any corners at all for that motor when it came to tolerances, and they even knife edged the port dividers and more...
I don't doubt the guy who built your motor either, but remember we're comparing a motor that Cosworth built, with their facilities, tools, machinery, and all...
I don't doubt the guy who built your motor either, but remember we're comparing a motor that Cosworth built, with their facilities, tools, machinery, and all...
Last edited by dofu; 03-29-2010 at 09:59 AM.
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#24
Not the way they did it...
Some of the things they did in that build didn't make much sense, seemed almost unheard of, a bit excessive and impractical, but I guess it must have made a difference. When they knife edged the port dividers, etc... they literally knife edged it to the point where it looks like it'd break... they did a lot of work they normally won't offer customers.
Some of the things they did in that build didn't make much sense, seemed almost unheard of, a bit excessive and impractical, but I guess it must have made a difference. When they knife edged the port dividers, etc... they literally knife edged it to the point where it looks like it'd break... they did a lot of work they normally won't offer customers.
Last edited by dofu; 03-29-2010 at 10:16 AM.
#25
I still don't see what you are trying to get at here. Are you saying that the Cosworth Plenum is only good for them?
If you solely want to compare engine dyno numbers (since they haven't ran it on a chasis one), then mine easily outpowers theirs, but that isn't the point of this post or thread. Like I said many times, the manifold is not for my application and I'm simply adding my data point. The bad assumption from my part is that I went off of their dyno comps on their site and assumed that the Cosworth will be superior to the spacer and MREV2 even though they didn't claim it to be. For your benefit, straight from Cosworth's site and the main reason I purchased the plenum to begin with.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/cata...nt%20tests.pdf
Also straight from their site. Comparison of a stock non-revup car with and without the Cosworth Plenum.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/view...2&idproduct=89
This is also from their site, the cylinder heads they used in the test above as well as in the Castrol build. They state max gains of 19% on the intake and 22% on the exhaust side, which is inferior to mine on the intake side but on par for the other. Unfortunately they don't post the lift at which it got those but we can assume it is at max lift of the ZK2 cams.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/view...4&idproduct=68
What's so unique about Cosworth's knife edged port divider, the concept is quite straight forward. Perhaps I'm overlooking something. Obviously porting is an art in itself, but I have no doubt that mine were done properly since the flow numbers are far superior than stock. Also what are the other things that didn't make sense? I've read the multiple articles about it prior to embarking in this project and perhaps i might have overlooked something.
If you solely want to compare engine dyno numbers (since they haven't ran it on a chasis one), then mine easily outpowers theirs, but that isn't the point of this post or thread. Like I said many times, the manifold is not for my application and I'm simply adding my data point. The bad assumption from my part is that I went off of their dyno comps on their site and assumed that the Cosworth will be superior to the spacer and MREV2 even though they didn't claim it to be. For your benefit, straight from Cosworth's site and the main reason I purchased the plenum to begin with.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/cata...nt%20tests.pdf
Also straight from their site. Comparison of a stock non-revup car with and without the Cosworth Plenum.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/view...2&idproduct=89
This is also from their site, the cylinder heads they used in the test above as well as in the Castrol build. They state max gains of 19% on the intake and 22% on the exhaust side, which is inferior to mine on the intake side but on par for the other. Unfortunately they don't post the lift at which it got those but we can assume it is at max lift of the ZK2 cams.
http://cosworthusa.com/store/pc/view...4&idproduct=68
What's so unique about Cosworth's knife edged port divider, the concept is quite straight forward. Perhaps I'm overlooking something. Obviously porting is an art in itself, but I have no doubt that mine were done properly since the flow numbers are far superior than stock. Also what are the other things that didn't make sense? I've read the multiple articles about it prior to embarking in this project and perhaps i might have overlooked something.
#26
Stock intake and tb. No turbos installed yet.
only plenum spacer and z-tube.
full exhaust and z1 headers w/ high flow cats.
cjmotorsports fuel system upgrade S1 kit w/ return line and a 340 pump still set to 51 psi
some other small mods.
I been on Cosworth website and that intake is now listed at $92,500.00… they crazy (worksmotorsports.com).
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