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Originally Posted by Silverbolt
Compitition hurts. Untill the manufacturers start pricing their products at a more reasonable price, and theres a larger variety for us to choose from... BRING ON THE PAIN!
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Hmmm, I'm going to try and relate something here...I hope it works and comes across in the correct manner...bear with me guys...
In economics; say a butcher is selling his meat at a great price and advertises it on his big glass window. He has been saving his money to buy a new suit for quite sometime now. Right before he closes a rock comes through his window, shattering it. In the end it will take every bit of his hard earned money for the suit to fix the window. Thus, the suit company looses money that it was originally going to get, the sewers wouldnt get paid or ever see that little bit of extra income, while the glass man makes a prophet that he orignally would not be getting and therefore wouldn't really hurt him. Is it hurting the suit man, yes.
Can this story be related to the body kits? Mmm, possibly... A replica company is the glass man while the suit seller are the authentic kits. The original companies [suit seller] should be and would be getting the money if it weren't for the knock-off sellers [glass man]. The knock-offs are stealing money that the originally company would normally be getting, after all, it is THEIR design that is being stolen.
What happens when replicas begin to take over a company like Kenstyle? When Kenstyle is put out of business then what will we do? We will no longer have a reputable company to make good quality products. At the same time the knock-off makers will also be out of a job because they are not aware of how they can produce an original design - they have never had to do that. If an original body kit maker can no longer pay its employees, then it will eventually cease to exist.
In economics; say a butcher is selling his meat at a great price and advertises it on his big glass window. He has been saving his money to buy a new suit for quite sometime now. Right before he closes a rock comes through his window, shattering it. In the end it will take every bit of his hard earned money for the suit to fix the window. Thus, the suit company looses money that it was originally going to get, the sewers wouldnt get paid or ever see that little bit of extra income, while the glass man makes a prophet that he orignally would not be getting and therefore wouldn't really hurt him. Is it hurting the suit man, yes.
Can this story be related to the body kits? Mmm, possibly... A replica company is the glass man while the suit seller are the authentic kits. The original companies [suit seller] should be and would be getting the money if it weren't for the knock-off sellers [glass man]. The knock-offs are stealing money that the originally company would normally be getting, after all, it is THEIR design that is being stolen.
What happens when replicas begin to take over a company like Kenstyle? When Kenstyle is put out of business then what will we do? We will no longer have a reputable company to make good quality products. At the same time the knock-off makers will also be out of a job because they are not aware of how they can produce an original design - they have never had to do that. If an original body kit maker can no longer pay its employees, then it will eventually cease to exist.
G352NV, Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. I think where you made your mistake was not posting your opinion in the appropriate forum. The Vendor Specials section is NOT a place to voice your opinion about a product. You were, in a way, hijacking TS's thread. Why not write-up your opinion about the TS vs. Seibon hoods in the Modification Reviews section? I bet your post would not be deleted there.
So if Injen came on this forum and posted in the Vendor section saying, Buy our exhaust for a discount and tell everyone that it doesnt blow fiberglass. We should not post because its in a Vendor section??
I thought the Vendor section was for specials anyway? Not for a review, shouldnt their topic be in the review section
i think we should all thank g352nv for all of his insights on the body kits. there aren't too many places where you can get unbiased, informed opinions on body kits. normally, you only get the retailers views on the quality/fitment of different body kits. and of course, their views are generally biased towards what they are selling.
as far as competition goes, it only serves to push manufacturers to develop new products and curb overpricing, which only benefits the consumer. in my opinion, for those who believe that it is wrong to emulate certain designs from other manufacturers (but offering perhaps equal to better quality and pricing), they need to re-examine the whole history of retail. EVERYTHING is copied or borrowed. if it were wrong to do so, don't buy any other brand of jeans except levi's or any other car except ford since they were the first.
so, g352nv, thanks and keep on doing your reviews!!!
as far as competition goes, it only serves to push manufacturers to develop new products and curb overpricing, which only benefits the consumer. in my opinion, for those who believe that it is wrong to emulate certain designs from other manufacturers (but offering perhaps equal to better quality and pricing), they need to re-examine the whole history of retail. EVERYTHING is copied or borrowed. if it were wrong to do so, don't buy any other brand of jeans except levi's or any other car except ford since they were the first.
so, g352nv, thanks and keep on doing your reviews!!!
Last edited by Z2G; Jun 5, 2005 at 08:56 PM.
Like I said before, compared to bodykits for other cars, our prices are outrageous. I mean... $3k for a full kit? WTF?? More reasonably priced kits like Veilside and Greddy don't really have to worry about replicas. Well, there IS a Greddy replica front but I have seen nobody using that one since the original is only like $100 or so more. Why can't they sell the kits for G for $1500-2000 when they are doing so for other cars?? I'm sure I would buy an original kit if the price was reasonable. I think G is the only car there is that have $1500 replica bodykit(Impul replica). Rediculous.
Originally Posted by skeleton_cru
If you think that knock-offs will force manufacturers to lower their prices you're sadly mistaken and foolish really. Knock-offs mean loss revenue. How do you think they will make up for their losses??? They will increase the price of their products and pass the mark-up on to us the consumer.
No need to call me foolish. There are many different ways to make up for the loss revenue. Yes, they could raise their prices to make up fo the loss, but that has a much higher chance of failure. The reason they're losing their potential customers to knock-offs is because they knock-offs are of decent, if not the same quality as the original designer at a much lower price. For the original company to raise the price would be self defeating, and make their problems worse. If theres a knife jammed into a guy's arm, he should pull it out, not push it in deeper.
Problem = Knife in arm; high priced bodykits
Solution A = pull it out; lower the prices
Solution B = push it deeper; higher the prices
The aftermarket world for the G35s is almost like a monopoly right now. The few companies that are involved have all decided to keep their prices high and not compete. They are sitting comfortably on their chairs while they watch us throw tons of money at them. With replicators in the mix, they are forced to to take action and do something. Most of the time, that "something" benifits the consumers.
Last edited by Silverbolt; Jun 5, 2005 at 04:48 PM.
Originally Posted by HomieG35
What happens when replicas begin to take over a company like Kenstyle? When Kenstyle is put out of business then what will we do? We will no longer have a reputable company to make good quality products. At the same time the knock-off makers will also be out of a job because they are not aware of how they can produce an original design - they have never had to do that. If an original body kit maker can no longer pay its employees, then it will eventually cease to exist.
Originally Posted by skeleton_cru
If you think that knock-offs will force manufacturers to lower their prices you're sadly mistaken and foolish really. Knock-offs mean loss revenue. How do you think they will make up for their losses??? They will increase the price of their products and pass the mark-up on to us the consumer.
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Originally Posted by Silverbolt
Look at companies such as Wings West, Erebuni, VIS and Buddy Club. They all have great quality kits and are very reputable, but they also are "replicators".
Buddy Club makes their own kits... they aren't a knock-off company.
Also, Erebuni makes POS kits. From what I've seen, VIS is a hit or miss. Always heard good things about Wings West.
Also, Erebuni makes POS kits. From what I've seen, VIS is a hit or miss. Always heard good things about Wings West.
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Originally Posted by Rookie84
Buddy Club makes their own kits... they aren't a knock-off company.
Also, Erebuni makes POS kits. From what I've seen, VIS is a hit or miss. Always heard good things about Wings West.
Also, Erebuni makes POS kits. From what I've seen, VIS is a hit or miss. Always heard good things about Wings West.
VIS bought Wing West several years back, so it's the same company.
I have been talking to a lot of bodykits factory owners in China and I have heard a lot of interesting stories about how all these bodykits companies started, and that's how I know.
Originally Posted by silviaparts
Erebuni has 3-4 suppliers, and some of them make quality parts, and some are poorly made. Erebuni is going downhill due to competition and their way of operating the company.
VIS bought Wing West several years back, so it's the same company.
I have been talking to a lot of bodykits factory owners in China and I have heard a lot of interesting stories about how all these bodykits companies started, and that's how I know.
VIS bought Wing West several years back, so it's the same company.
I have been talking to a lot of bodykits factory owners in China and I have heard a lot of interesting stories about how all these bodykits companies started, and that's how I know.
As for Buddy Club, they copied some track racing car. It was about 7 years ago since I looked into it, so I cant really remember much about it anymore. All I remember is that Buddyclub took their design from some other front bumper. The design was identical, but only modified to fit the specific car. It was a replica, but not from the typical bodykits available to the public. Thats why everyone believes them to be the original designers of the kit.