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Old 12-16-2007, 02:56 AM
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Its not about the sound - they're testing for smog....
I've seen them on the 55 as I drive home from work.
Heres the article -

http://www.ocregister.com/news/car-s...through-mirror

The government is watching your tailpipe
Remote sensors will be on O.C. freeway onramps this week in a hunt for the highest polluting cars.
By PAT BRENNAN
The Orange County Register

The drivers won't see much – a white van, a camera, a mirror and some other odd-looking equipment – and they won't be stopped. But their cars will be smogged and, if they are heavy polluters, a letter will arrive in the mail.

Specialists with the region's smog control agency are in Orange County through Friday with their remote smog sensors, which shoot beams of infrared and ultraviolet light through the exhaust plumes from the tailpipes of passing cars.

The technology has been in use for years, but for the first time, the agency is not conducting experiments or fine-tuning. This time, they are serious about getting "gross polluters" off the road – that is, as long as the drivers agree.

"This is strictly a voluntary program," said Sam Atwood, a spokesman for the South Coast Air Quality Management District. "It's meant to be an adjunct to smog check."

The remote sensor shoots the light beams across a freeway on-ramp into a mirror on the other side. The beam cuts through the tailpipe emissions and bounces back from the mirror.

Equipment aboard the van reads levels of various pollutants – hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides – based on how the light beams are absorbed by the exhaust plume.

Meanwhile, a separate camera snaps a picture of the car's license plate.

If the car is a gross polluter, one that emits 100 to 500 times as much as an average car, a kind of invitation is mailed to the car's owner.

And the deal might be tempting. Car owners can receive up to $500 to make repairs, or $1,000 to scrap the vehicle.

If they earn a low income and are willing to replace their car with a low-emission used car, they can get $2,000.

The problem with the standard smog check every two years, Atwood said, is that many cars might be given stopgap repairs that don' last very long.

Yet the gross polluters emit a disproportionate amount of the smog that hovers over the Los Angeles basin, which includes Orange County.

And a car needn't be visibly smoking to be a gross polluter. "I don't know that I've seen one that was actually smoking," said Atwood, who has observed many of the remote sensing projects in operation.
 
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Old 12-16-2007, 03:16 AM
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I can't speak for him - but that post looks like ****!!!!! NOTHING like MY car!

I can't use that to tell them to ***** off... Your cert is bogus until it has MY car info on it... don't bother trying to justify something that we know isn't true... just make the corrections and we will all agree you were right

As far as Irwindale, I understand... I hope you get that clutch replaced bro! The only other good race weather track day is gonna be Fontana on Jan 5th! Maybe you can ruin it then and be forced to upgrade?... I guess we better start scheduling a chase car... f- the bbq

Seriously though = you gotta be itchin to test the tune!!! I know I am!!!
ahaha! lol, ya as long as its 1/4 mile i am always ready. Let us know how u did in irwindale compare to ur previous times.
 
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I'm really, really tempted to go ahead and call and schedule an appointment for testing & a certificate. But I don't have the courage to do so knowing they would smell the fumes emmited by test pipes.

You said you had a Non-Carb Legal intake and they didn't care as long as the car is "safe to drive". Did they actually check your car all around for modifications anyway? Because if they saw your intake, I assume they were looking around the engine bay & underneath the car.

I'm sure my car is well under the legal dB limit. (And maybe even have a chance to pass smog, although my no-cats are very illegal anyhow.)
As with Klubbheads, they didn't check under my car. The tech walked up to me and asked if they could check under the hood because the needed to make sure the car was safe before they ran it and that they basically didn't care about any mods as long as it was safe. They basically just checked all my fluids and that was it. Also if your afraid you won't pass you could "rent" this from radioshack. Then give it a test run at home.

Klubbheads' cert looks similar to mine, I got mine back in 2002, so back then they didn't take pics of the exhaust and from what I could remember they only took it up to 3500 rpm.
 
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by psiclne
Its not about the sound - they're testing for smog....
I've seen them on the 55 as I drive home from work.
Heres the article -

http://www.ocregister.com/news/car-s...through-mirror
I didn’t read past the first 2 sentences of that article and realized no one in this forum would be a target of that... based on that type of testing they will first identify older vehicles and then target them with the "infrared" or whatever the hell they are using...

Even those with HFC and test pipes would not be on their "target list"... CARB and others are cracking down on commercial vehicles in the ports... there are all kinds of ludicrous proposals and some already implemented regs that go into effect 09-13...

This looks like an extension of that effort... the goal is to get older vehicles that can't comply off the road... in the commercial vehicle arena they are requiring $20K retrofits for vehicles 07 and older (there is a tiered year range)... They also have a grant program offering boatloads of cash, I mean TONS for qualified Owner Operators (and some Motor Carriers) to buy new trucks and scrap older ones...

For cars like ours it would be an easy court case... They would need a VERY good reason to ***** with someone that isn't required to smog for 6 years from date of purchase...

The sound level issue that has been addressed on the other hand is something to look out for. Forget about db levels... My exhaust is what has caught the attention on cops numerous times when they've pulled me over for speeding... they were wrong though of course (as my Motor Vehicle Report reflects no citations in over 10 years )

Anyway - I have a sound level meter at work... I'll bring it to Irwindale for the helluvit if I remember...
 

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Old 12-16-2007, 04:08 AM
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I'm going to keep my next CS Tech card... "Look Officer (or your Honor), I have passed tech inspection from a certified Street Legal Drag Strip... can I go home now"
 
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by (>")> G35
As with Klubbheads, they didn't check under my car. The tech walked up to me and asked if they could check under the hood because the needed to make sure the car was safe before they ran it and that they basically didn't care about any mods as long as it was safe. They basically just checked all my fluids and that was it. Also if your afraid you won't pass you could "rent" this from radioshack. Then give it a test run at home.

Klubbheads' cert looks similar to mine, I got mine back in 2002, so back then they didn't take pics of the exhaust and from what I could remember they only took it up to 3500 rpm.
Thanks for the info.

My question is, even though I have never been cited for anything, if they by chance happened to see my TP's, could they legally fine me or red-flag me? I'm sure that even with my TPs, though they are loud as hell, I would still pass.

And if I don't pass the sound test (although im SURE I would, just randomly throwing the idea around), its not like if they could red-flag me then, since I never had a ticket...(?).

If someone could answer my questions with certainty, I would highly appreciate that!

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Old 12-16-2007, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
Thanks for the info.

My question is, even though I have never been cited for anything, if they by chance happened to see my TP's, could they legally fine me or red-flag me? I'm sure that even with my TPs, though they are loud as hell, I would still pass.

And if I didn't, its not like if they could red-flag me then, since I never had a ticket...(?).

If someone could answer my questions with certainty, I would highly appreciate that!

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the best answer is stay off WOT unless you are damn sure you’re in the clear... or be confident you can out run him j/k

Proactive is great, but in this case you can only do what’s logical not to have a problem, and address the problem if it happens... You are running test pipes and asking how to make it legal... there is no right answer... can you defend a situation if it arises? Of course, but variables that have not happened yet will determine how.

IOW, the "reason" you get pulled over and checked out will determine what chance you have to defend... but nothing is going to prevent you from the "possibility" of having a problem other than not drawing their attention...
 
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
Jenna,

Is all of this regarding your trip for a smog check, legal problems with the law, or just for the certification of exhaust dB limit? If they checked for cats during the test for sound limit itself, then I will definitely not be heading out to the state referee for a certificate

Wish I would have known a week ago regarding this certificate BEFORE I installed my test pipes

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Well, I got a citation in which I forcefully HAD to go to State Ref.

Citation:
- modified exhaust
- intake
-blow off valve
- front plate display
Before going in, I took off my intake swapped it to stock, recirculated my bov.

I went in, and they did I previously mentioned (mirrors, got under car to look for cat, inspected my AC lines for nitrous, wth?, anyway, checked motor for any hidden additional mods, etc). Smog tested my car, and tested my exhaust for loudness...
*I passed all and received that certificate a member posted*

So I believe you can just pull up make an appointment. I've had friends do so, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get tested for loudness. Reason I say to do so, is bc in case a cop does hassle you...you can simply show the Certificate of Compliance (meet dBs reqs.) Then you're good to go. If the cop is a jerk and still cites you, you flash that to the judge, and you're free.

Lets say you DONT have it (Cert. of compliance), they make u go to State Ref:
- You can't drive your car until you are tested. Yes, it says it on the sticker they place on your ticket
- they inspect for cat
NO CAT= NO PASS
Automatic fail. They don't even bother to inspect for loudness or inspection.

NOTE: Keep in mind that if a cop cites you for an modified exhaust only, or just a intake...
State Ref will look for MORE mods besides what the cop saw.
So "gauges, intercooler, nitrous, etc" will be added and you will NOT pass.
 

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Old 12-18-2007, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PlayboyJenna
Well, I got a citation in which I forcefully HAD to go to State Ref.

Citation:
- modified exhaust
- intake
-blow off valve
- front plate display
Before going in, I took off my intake swapped it to stock, recirculated my bov.

I went in, and they did I previously mentioned (mirrors, got under car to look for cat, inspected my AC lines for nitrous, wth?, anyway, checked motor for any hidden additional mods, etc). Smog tested my car, and tested my exhaust for loudness...
*I passed all and received that certificate a member posted*

So I believe you can just pull up make an appointment. I've had friends do so, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get tested for loudness. Reason I say to do so, is bc in case a cop does hassle you...you can simply show the Certificate of Compliance (meet dBs reqs.) Then you're good to go. If the cop is a jerk and still cites you, you flash that to the judge, and you're free.

Lets say you DONT have it (Cert. of compliance), they make u go to State Ref:
- You can't drive your car until you are tested. Yes, it says it on the sticker they place on your ticket
- they inspect for cat
NO CAT= NO PASS
Automatic fail. They don't even bother to inspect for loudness or inspection.

NOTE: Keep in mind that if a cop cites you for an modified exhaust only, or just a intake...
State Ref will look for MORE mods besides what the cop saw.
So "gauges, intercooler, nitrous, etc" will be added and you will NOT pass.
Thanks for the thorough info Jenna. Now I see why your claims contradict the other member's claim that they do not check for mods.

They checked your car all around because you had a citation for possible "illegal modifications". Whereas, if I recall, the other member just went in for a dB test of the loudness of his exhaust without having being cited for modifications.

It's too incoveniant for me to uninstall the TP's I just installed just for a sound test. Cops around here don't realy hassle anyone for modified cars, especially a Luxury car.

I guess I'll just go without a certification; hopefully I won't need one as I don't plan on being pulled over

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Originally Posted by PlayboyJenna
NOTE: Keep in mind that if a cop cites you for an modified exhaust only, or just a intake...
State Ref will look for MORE mods besides what the cop saw.
So "gauges, intercooler, nitrous, etc" will be added and you will NOT pass.
sooooo, and I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question ... even though a Vortech SC is CARB legal, the system itself isnt because of the intercooler and the gauges that you'd add for engine safety?

Again, sorry if I'm misreading that. I would like to know what to expect though, should I ever get sent off to the Ref.
 
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sooooo, and I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question ... even though a Vortech SC is CARB legal, the system itself isnt because of the intercooler and the gauges that you'd add for engine safety?

Again, sorry if I'm misreading that. I would like to know what to expect though, should I ever get sent off to the Ref.
well funny you ask this. I have the vortech blower with FMIC and 2 gagues on my piller. now if you go on their site you can print out a carb legal disclaimer. and on your blower there is a ceral code. now this cert that i printed out has got me off the hook a few times but they they ask "what about that fart can exhaust you have" so i got a ticket for that and swapped it out and it was a done deal. but then it really comes down to if the cop got laid or not the night before.

good thread btw. keep it coming.
 
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dofu does this certification look legit to u now?
Oh damn... you posted all that for me? I feel so dee dee dee special now... Thanks for the info though. I think I'm gonna stop by that place next time I head out there...
 
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So you can make a trip to the State Ref without a ticket - yes or no?

If yes, and you do go and fail - then what? Will it be like nothing happened at all, or will they write you up then and there?
 
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:40 AM
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So you can make a trip to the State Ref without a ticket - yes or no?

If yes, and you do go and fail - then what? Will it be like nothing happened at all, or will they write you up then and there?
I would call the testing center and find out.
 
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So you can make a trip to the State Ref without a ticket - yes or no?

If yes, and you do go and fail - then what? Will it be like nothing happened at all, or will they write you up then and there?
1000+ for this question.

It would really suck if I voluntarily go and I get cited for no cats, and still fail the dB test

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