Cobb Tuning Intake Blog
Cobb Tuning Intake Blog
I notice this blog and found it kind of interesting. Have anyone read this:
I didn't know that Nismo made an Intake that would fit into the G37, I thought the 350Z was the only one???
http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/?p=160
I didn't know that Nismo made an Intake that would fit into the G37, I thought the 350Z was the only one???
http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/?p=160
Originally Posted by B L U E S L A T E
Hm... I wonder if I should just get some K&N drop-ins?
if you're dying to spend money, sure. it won't do much of anything for you. i'd rather stick with a non-oiled filter since maf's get real finicky about how much oil hits them
first off, no sarcasm at all. i'm serious: if you're dying to throw away some money, go for it.
second, the background:
the car's i've owned, in order.
87 supra
00 civic si
02 wrx wagon
05 sti
08 g35s.
ok, the supra had an old clunker of a maf and didn't really care what was thrown at it. the internals on that thing were vastly different from what came later on.
the civic ran map. oil away.
the wrx ran maf. it wasn't all THAT sensitive to over-oiling, but still people over-oiled their k&n's and grenaded maf's. this turned me on to the thought that the oiling just might be an unneccessary risk. then i saw dyno plots: no change at all.
the sti: same deal, much more finicky...which was odd because the maf had the same part number, iirc. same deal: dyno gains: none. i started looking around at those who had actually put their cars on a dyno before and after the panel replacement and found nothing beyond simple minute to minute variances. +/- 3whp, for instance, can be an ambient temp thing.
i haven't seen dyno's on the g's, but i've looked at the filters, both of them, and it just isn't a place where you're going to pick up any noticeable gains, IMO.
the price of the k&n panels kinda kills the point of having something reusable. sure you'll probably break even after 60k-ish miles, but so what? it's not a lot of money by any means, but i'd just as soon toss it into my savings account...that i opened specifically to save up for tires and property taxes...because i know i'll be spending money on both every year or so.
your exhaust mods do well, but probably haven't necessitated much more flow in the intake dept yet.
quick elaboration on the maf issue: the oil you use to wet the k&n after cleaning gets sucked by the maf and sticks to it, freaking it out. the line between just enough oil and too much, your maf is dying, isn't very large.
there are aftermarket foam element filters that are washable and do not use oil. the folks supplying apex'i's cone elements make filters that don't require oil AND they filter quite well. the blitz sus, on the other hand, is just about as free-flowing (almost no filtration) as you can get.
but hey, if you DO go through with k&n panels, and you DO dyno before and after, please post results. more data never hurt anyone, right?
second, the background:
the car's i've owned, in order.
87 supra
00 civic si
02 wrx wagon
05 sti
08 g35s.
ok, the supra had an old clunker of a maf and didn't really care what was thrown at it. the internals on that thing were vastly different from what came later on.
the civic ran map. oil away.
the wrx ran maf. it wasn't all THAT sensitive to over-oiling, but still people over-oiled their k&n's and grenaded maf's. this turned me on to the thought that the oiling just might be an unneccessary risk. then i saw dyno plots: no change at all.
the sti: same deal, much more finicky...which was odd because the maf had the same part number, iirc. same deal: dyno gains: none. i started looking around at those who had actually put their cars on a dyno before and after the panel replacement and found nothing beyond simple minute to minute variances. +/- 3whp, for instance, can be an ambient temp thing.
i haven't seen dyno's on the g's, but i've looked at the filters, both of them, and it just isn't a place where you're going to pick up any noticeable gains, IMO.
the price of the k&n panels kinda kills the point of having something reusable. sure you'll probably break even after 60k-ish miles, but so what? it's not a lot of money by any means, but i'd just as soon toss it into my savings account...that i opened specifically to save up for tires and property taxes...because i know i'll be spending money on both every year or so.
your exhaust mods do well, but probably haven't necessitated much more flow in the intake dept yet.
quick elaboration on the maf issue: the oil you use to wet the k&n after cleaning gets sucked by the maf and sticks to it, freaking it out. the line between just enough oil and too much, your maf is dying, isn't very large.
there are aftermarket foam element filters that are washable and do not use oil. the folks supplying apex'i's cone elements make filters that don't require oil AND they filter quite well. the blitz sus, on the other hand, is just about as free-flowing (almost no filtration) as you can get.
but hey, if you DO go through with k&n panels, and you DO dyno before and after, please post results. more data never hurt anyone, right?
Originally Posted by jsmonet
first off, no sarcasm at all. i'm serious: if you're dying to throw away some money, go for it.
second, the background:
the car's i've owned, in order.
87 supra
00 civic si
02 wrx wagon
05 sti
08 g35s.
ok, the supra had an old clunker of a maf and didn't really care what was thrown at it. the internals on that thing were vastly different from what came later on.
the civic ran map. oil away.
the wrx ran maf. it wasn't all THAT sensitive to over-oiling, but still people over-oiled their k&n's and grenaded maf's. this turned me on to the thought that the oiling just might be an unneccessary risk. then i saw dyno plots: no change at all.
the sti: same deal, much more finicky...which was odd because the maf had the same part number, iirc. same deal: dyno gains: none. i started looking around at those who had actually put their cars on a dyno before and after the panel replacement and found nothing beyond simple minute to minute variances. +/- 3whp, for instance, can be an ambient temp thing.
i haven't seen dyno's on the g's, but i've looked at the filters, both of them, and it just isn't a place where you're going to pick up any noticeable gains, IMO.
the price of the k&n panels kinda kills the point of having something reusable. sure you'll probably break even after 60k-ish miles, but so what? it's not a lot of money by any means, but i'd just as soon toss it into my savings account...that i opened specifically to save up for tires and property taxes...because i know i'll be spending money on both every year or so.
your exhaust mods do well, but probably haven't necessitated much more flow in the intake dept yet.
quick elaboration on the maf issue: the oil you use to wet the k&n after cleaning gets sucked by the maf and sticks to it, freaking it out. the line between just enough oil and too much, your maf is dying, isn't very large.
there are aftermarket foam element filters that are washable and do not use oil. the folks supplying apex'i's cone elements make filters that don't require oil AND they filter quite well. the blitz sus, on the other hand, is just about as free-flowing (almost no filtration) as you can get.
but hey, if you DO go through with k&n panels, and you DO dyno before and after, please post results. more data never hurt anyone, right?
second, the background:
the car's i've owned, in order.
87 supra
00 civic si
02 wrx wagon
05 sti
08 g35s.
ok, the supra had an old clunker of a maf and didn't really care what was thrown at it. the internals on that thing were vastly different from what came later on.
the civic ran map. oil away.
the wrx ran maf. it wasn't all THAT sensitive to over-oiling, but still people over-oiled their k&n's and grenaded maf's. this turned me on to the thought that the oiling just might be an unneccessary risk. then i saw dyno plots: no change at all.
the sti: same deal, much more finicky...which was odd because the maf had the same part number, iirc. same deal: dyno gains: none. i started looking around at those who had actually put their cars on a dyno before and after the panel replacement and found nothing beyond simple minute to minute variances. +/- 3whp, for instance, can be an ambient temp thing.
i haven't seen dyno's on the g's, but i've looked at the filters, both of them, and it just isn't a place where you're going to pick up any noticeable gains, IMO.
the price of the k&n panels kinda kills the point of having something reusable. sure you'll probably break even after 60k-ish miles, but so what? it's not a lot of money by any means, but i'd just as soon toss it into my savings account...that i opened specifically to save up for tires and property taxes...because i know i'll be spending money on both every year or so.
your exhaust mods do well, but probably haven't necessitated much more flow in the intake dept yet.
quick elaboration on the maf issue: the oil you use to wet the k&n after cleaning gets sucked by the maf and sticks to it, freaking it out. the line between just enough oil and too much, your maf is dying, isn't very large.
there are aftermarket foam element filters that are washable and do not use oil. the folks supplying apex'i's cone elements make filters that don't require oil AND they filter quite well. the blitz sus, on the other hand, is just about as free-flowing (almost no filtration) as you can get.
but hey, if you DO go through with k&n panels, and you DO dyno before and after, please post results. more data never hurt anyone, right?
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HMM....Don't know why so many People on this forum, all of a sudden Say a K&N Filter is no good because of the Oil!!?? I have K&N filters on my 90 Supercharged GT with no Problem, have a Stock Replacement K&N Filter on my 03 Honada Accord, With no Problem at all, even after a cleaning and Reoiling! Now I have a Stillen Intake System on my G, that Comes With K&N's. And never had a Problem yet! SO Please don't tell people that K&N filters will ruin your cars MAF sensor!? I don't really see any proof of this anywhere, or heard of K&N's causing this too happen. Now I can understand that if people clean thier K&N filters, and soak them down to the point the oil is running off the filter before you put it back in your car, then that will probably do something to the MAF. But if you have a good head on your shoulders and some commen sense, then the Filters shoud do no harm! Just wanted to chime in here on my experience with K&N's.
aren't both the mustang and accord running MAP?
OVER-OILING hoses maf's. don't over oil and you should be ok. I was just saying that if you're just going panels it doesn't seem worth the trouble. cones? that's to be seen.
if you've not seen anything regarding k&n oil killing mafs then you must not be looking at many other car forums (non-infiniti/nissan is a good start).
OVER-OILING hoses maf's. don't over oil and you should be ok. I was just saying that if you're just going panels it doesn't seem worth the trouble. cones? that's to be seen.
if you've not seen anything regarding k&n oil killing mafs then you must not be looking at many other car forums (non-infiniti/nissan is a good start).
Originally Posted by jsmonet
aren't both the mustang and accord running MAP?
OVER-OILING hoses maf's. don't over oil and you should be ok. I was just saying that if you're just going panels it doesn't seem worth the trouble. cones? that's to be seen.
if you've not seen anything regarding k&n oil killing mafs then you must not be looking at many other car forums (non-infiniti/nissan is a good start).
OVER-OILING hoses maf's. don't over oil and you should be ok. I was just saying that if you're just going panels it doesn't seem worth the trouble. cones? that's to be seen.
if you've not seen anything regarding k&n oil killing mafs then you must not be looking at many other car forums (non-infiniti/nissan is a good start).
Nope my Mustang is running MAF, And the Honda, certain models come with MAF. And it's really no trouble at all to try the Panels, it's easy to Install. And can't say if it's not worth the trouble or not, Some guy's on the 350Z forums have gained a few HP's with the Panels. So Untill a real dyno is Run we can just specualte if it's worth it or not.
Exactly what I am saying. Don't Over Oil it and it will be fine, so far mines have been.
And I go to other forums not just here. I also go to Stang forums. So I am not just here.
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