Hankook Ventus V12 Evo k110
#31
02-10-2010 | 08:10 PM
That doesnt make any sense...Treadwear ratings are very subjective as dicussed between our post. Also the treadwear ratings are not ratings that measure the tires true performance. They are rough indicators of grip and wear levels. So in all actuality you want a treadwear less than 300 when searching for summer/sport tires. So i am not sure if you are saying the number is too high or too low. For a consumer type tire, its right where it should be for a street tire. In my travels, if you want more wear resistance you go higher (typically less grip as well), if you want a more sportier tire you go lower (more grip, less duration of use).
I mean sure this isnt no OEM tire with a treadwear of 180, but this tire will perform near as well, last longer and do better in the rain and it cost substantially less. Some even argue its quieter and provides a better ride in terms of comfort.
With everything this tire offers in terms of value and performance, I think it is unrivaled in the market at the moment. Sure there are tires out there with more performance (seems Toyo T1-R owners like to chime in against this tire) and others that last longer (Kumho ECST-SPT, Falken 452, BFG KDW-2), but they all give up something in their performance (dry grip, noise levels) and some obviously cost more and even less.
I like others did my research, for me it came down to the sizes I wanted and a blend of performance/cost benefit, this was the best tire for my purposes and needs.
I mean sure this isnt no OEM tire with a treadwear of 180, but this tire will perform near as well, last longer and do better in the rain and it cost substantially less. Some even argue its quieter and provides a better ride in terms of comfort.
With everything this tire offers in terms of value and performance, I think it is unrivaled in the market at the moment. Sure there are tires out there with more performance (seems Toyo T1-R owners like to chime in against this tire) and others that last longer (Kumho ECST-SPT, Falken 452, BFG KDW-2), but they all give up something in their performance (dry grip, noise levels) and some obviously cost more and even less.
I like others did my research, for me it came down to the sizes I wanted and a blend of performance/cost benefit, this was the best tire for my purposes and needs.
Thanks.
#33
02-11-2010 | 05:08 PM
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From: Southern Cali --> 818
I have been pretty satisfied with these wheels for daily driving and for its price point.
I got 245/35/19 & 275/35/19 mounted and balanced for $772 OTD. Can't beat that for the price.
My initial feedback:
-They are quiet tires.
-They have excellent grip in wet and dry
-They do NOT give you the response/feedback as some other more expensive summer performance/max performance tires
What I mean by that is that they have more tire flex during swift movements (i.e. swaying the car side to side at higher speeds) than other tires I have used (T1R, RE050A).
But for daily driving, these tires are perfect; inexpensive (as of now...though I hear the prices have gone up), quiet, and grip well.
I have been having some really bad luck with nails though. I know it probably has nothing to do with the tire itself... still frustrating though.
I would recommended these tires for daily driven cars.
I got 245/35/19 & 275/35/19 mounted and balanced for $772 OTD. Can't beat that for the price.
My initial feedback:
-They are quiet tires.
-They have excellent grip in wet and dry
-They do NOT give you the response/feedback as some other more expensive summer performance/max performance tires
What I mean by that is that they have more tire flex during swift movements (i.e. swaying the car side to side at higher speeds) than other tires I have used (T1R, RE050A).
But for daily driving, these tires are perfect; inexpensive (as of now...though I hear the prices have gone up), quiet, and grip well.
I have been having some really bad luck with nails though. I know it probably has nothing to do with the tire itself... still frustrating though.
I would recommended these tires for daily driven cars.
#34
02-11-2010 | 05:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
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From: Toronto, GTA north
I have been pretty satisfied with these wheels for daily driving and for its price point.
I got 245/35/19 & 275/35/19 mounted and balanced for $772 OTD. Can't beat that for the price.
My initial feedback:
-They are quiet tires.
-They have excellent grip in wet and dry
-They do NOT give you the response/feedback as some other more expensive summer performance/max performance tires
What I mean by that is that they have more tire flex during swift movements (i.e. swaying the car side to side at higher speeds) than other tires I have used (T1R, RE050A).
But for daily driving, these tires are perfect; inexpensive (as of now...though I hear the prices have gone up), quiet, and grip well.
I have been having some really bad luck with nails though. I know it probably has nothing to do with the tire itself... still frustrating though.
I would recommended these tires for daily driven cars.
I got 245/35/19 & 275/35/19 mounted and balanced for $772 OTD. Can't beat that for the price.
My initial feedback:
-They are quiet tires.
-They have excellent grip in wet and dry
-They do NOT give you the response/feedback as some other more expensive summer performance/max performance tires
What I mean by that is that they have more tire flex during swift movements (i.e. swaying the car side to side at higher speeds) than other tires I have used (T1R, RE050A).
But for daily driving, these tires are perfect; inexpensive (as of now...though I hear the prices have gone up), quiet, and grip well.
I have been having some really bad luck with nails though. I know it probably has nothing to do with the tire itself... still frustrating though.
I would recommended these tires for daily driven cars.
I like to do a few HPDEs and have used PS2s before and was very happy with them.
It's just that I'm tired of spending mega bucks on tires;
but I also don't want to sacrifice too much of the fun factor.
If they have mushy uncommunicative sidewalls, that's a no-go for me.
#35
02-11-2010 | 06:36 PM
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From: Southern Cali --> 818
Ian,
They are more than capable for HPDEs. Have you read the C&D comparison of budget performance tires vs PS2's? They did well.
But... I still wouldn't recommend them for performance-oriented driving. Like C&D concluded, they don't give you the feedback compared to other tires out there. That doesn't mean they perform any less than the PS2's; just not as communicative.
IMO, it's better to have cheaper (but quality) tires for daily driving, and a set of track wheels. My plan (once I have the $$$) is to get a set of 18 inch wheels for the track along with some wide and grippy tires (i.e. Ecsta MX).
I don't know if the sidewalls have a "break-in" period or if I just got use to it, but I don't notice the sidewall flex as much as I initially did.
They are more than capable for HPDEs. Have you read the C&D comparison of budget performance tires vs PS2's? They did well.
But... I still wouldn't recommend them for performance-oriented driving. Like C&D concluded, they don't give you the feedback compared to other tires out there. That doesn't mean they perform any less than the PS2's; just not as communicative.
IMO, it's better to have cheaper (but quality) tires for daily driving, and a set of track wheels. My plan (once I have the $$$) is to get a set of 18 inch wheels for the track along with some wide and grippy tires (i.e. Ecsta MX).
I don't know if the sidewalls have a "break-in" period or if I just got use to it, but I don't notice the sidewall flex as much as I initially did.
#36
02-11-2010 | 08:10 PM
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From: Toronto, GTA north
#37
02-11-2010 | 09:57 PM
I would have to say they are not the stiffest. Basically like Skater said, they're good, but they're not great. If you want something similar with a slightly higher cost, but probably still cheaper than PS2s, try the Nitto INVO. Its noted as having a very stiff sidewall for its performance bracket, while still being very streetable and trackable.
#38
02-11-2010 | 09:58 PM
To think, my first comment when i got the tires (unmounted), those sidewalls feel somewhat soft compared to the FK452s (which had reinforced sidewalls).
Although, for the record, my V12's are up to 35-6 psi and it feels rather good to me. IIRC, since it's quite a departure from the size i should be running, i'm supposed to up it to 37-8 to obtain the full load index rating of the tire. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear so i can head back to the track and get a better feel for the tire compared to the 050 and the FK452s.
Although, for the record, my V12's are up to 35-6 psi and it feels rather good to me. IIRC, since it's quite a departure from the size i should be running, i'm supposed to up it to 37-8 to obtain the full load index rating of the tire. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear so i can head back to the track and get a better feel for the tire compared to the 050 and the FK452s.
#41
02-12-2010 | 09:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 21,095
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From: Toronto, GTA north
To think, my first comment when i got the tires (unmounted), those sidewalls feel somewhat soft compared to the FK452s (which had reinforced sidewalls).
Although, for the record, my V12's are up to 35-6 psi and it feels rather good to me. IIRC, since it's quite a departure from the size i should be running, i'm supposed to up it to 37-8 to obtain the full load index rating of the tire. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear so i can head back to the track and get a better feel for the tire compared to the 050 and the FK452s.
Although, for the record, my V12's are up to 35-6 psi and it feels rather good to me. IIRC, since it's quite a departure from the size i should be running, i'm supposed to up it to 37-8 to obtain the full load index rating of the tire. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear so i can head back to the track and get a better feel for the tire compared to the 050 and the FK452s.
The other factor that's important is how well a tire communicates the break away threshold.
#42
02-12-2010 | 07:08 PM
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From: Southern Cali --> 818
#45
02-13-2010 | 01:35 PM
Almost every tire has a warranty, it's not just Hankook, and they're all pretty much the same.
Bridgestone RE760 Sport (my tires)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (the "standard" in the test)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=
Dunlop Direzza DZ101 (test winner)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=
Bridgestone RE760 Sport (my tires)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (the "standard" in the test)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=
Dunlop Direzza DZ101 (test winner)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Warran...irePageLocQty=